STORY OF TAMIL DEVADASIS – Part 9, Somi, Vellaiammal, Madhavi and Manimeghalai (6178)

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spelling mistake in Manimeghalai story- change stalling to stalking



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My previous articles on Sundara’s miracles are :-

TIME TRAVEL by TWO TAMIL SAINTS | Swami’s Indology Blog

14 Feb 2012 – The boy, not only came alive intact but also aged to compensate for the lost two years. This is another instance of Time Travel by a Tamil saint.

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Miracles by the Blind & Oldest Organ Donation | Tamil and Vedas


25 Feb 2013 – Miracles by the Blind & Oldest Organ Donation God is great. … One of the great Four Saivaite saints,Sundarar, lost vision in one eye and went …

miracles | Tamil and Vedas



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When we talk about religion, we believe in the miracles done by great saints. ….. from the miracle stories of Tamil Saints Sambandhar, Appar and Sundarar.

Teleportation Miracles in Hindu scriptures | Tamil and Vedas



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6 Mar 2013 – Like other three saints he also did severalmiracles. One of the miracles involves teleportation.Sundarar was empty handed when he went to …

Aladdin’s Magic Lamp and Tamil Saints | Tamil and Vedas



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9 Mar 2012 – Aladdin’s genie performed several miracles for him. … Sundarar, the last of the three Thevaram saints, was receiving paddy and pulses on a ..

250 Manu Verses in Mahabharata- Dr S Radhakrishnan (Post No.5878)

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Dr S Radhakrishnan, famous philosopher and President of India has compared Manu with Kautilya. He compared Manu Smrti of Manu and Arthasastra of Kautilya in an article published in 1952. I have given below some interesting points,

Manu in the Mahabharata
Over 250 Slokas from the Manu Smrti occur in various sections of the Mahabharata and many legends are common between the two works.

Size of the Two books

Manu Smrti has 2685 verses in 12 chapters. It is in poetic verses.
Kautilyas Arthasastra is a prose work in 15 books comprising 6000 Slokas of 32 syllables each in length.

Age of Two works
Manu Smrti in the present redaction belongs to Second century BCE. Kane argued that the epic borrowed the verses from the Smrti and it belongs to pre -epic period.

( yesterday I gave ten reasons to place the original Manu Smrti in the Vedic period. Viewed in that background , 250 plus Slokas in the epic is another proof to show that it was composed before 3100 BCE. But nobody disputes that Hindus updated the Smrti periodically. No one could say which one section or rule is older or newer. Definitely the anti Shudra verses were later interpolations. Because no such trend is seen in the epics or Vedas).


Manu Smrti is attributed to Swayabhuva Manu and his disciple Bhrgu recited it to the sages. Kautilya says clearly that he took into account of all the literature on the subject. He refers to the views of over five authors and many unnamed authors.
Manu is a hoary name in Indian tradition. The Manu Smrti is the leading work on the sacred law of ancient India and Arthasastra of Kautilya takes the same rank among the manuals of polity.

Dharma sastra of Manu and Arthasastra of Kautilya alike study man in society.
Dharma sastras in general cover wider ground than Arthasastra and therefore command a wider appeal. For instance the cosmogony and eschatology of the opening and closing chapters of the Manu Smrti have no counterparts in Kautilya’s.

Geographical outlook

Manu divides north India into several graded regions like Aryavarta and Brahmavarta. Kautilya deals with the whole country from the Himalayas to the southern ocean.

( this is another proof to say that Manu must have lived long before Kautilya)

Unlike Kautilya, Manu gives extreme importance to Brahmins but at the same time insists good character and Vedic study for Brahmins.


Both insist the grhastha srama— life of a House holder is greater than the other three stages. Hospitality is emphasised. Eight types of marriages is mentioned by both. Though the names of eight types are mentioned , all other known evidence shows that the normal form of marriage was a monogamous sacramental union between a youth and a maiden of the same Varna/caste .

Women in society

Manu gives a high place to women in social life and family.
Where women are honoured, there the gods are pleased; but where they are not honoured, no sacred rite yields rewards.

In that family where the husband is pleased with his wife and the wife with her husband, happiness will assuredly be lasting .

He is so keen on girls getting proper husbands that he goes so far as to say that when a suitable husband is not to be found, a girl may be kept in her father’s house as a spinster to the end of her life rather than be given over to a man destitute of good qualities. 

The Greek writers are positive that slavery was unknown in India in the Mauryan epoch. But Greek type of slavery, ‘Chattel slavery’ was unknown in India. But Manu mentions different kinds of Dasas.

Homer and Good Kings

Manu says that when the world was without a king, it was much agitated with fear; and for its protection Lord Brahma created the king, to protect the good and destroy the wicked. Lord created his own son Danda. Danda is often translated as punishment. But it is more than that. It is the embodiment of law and order, the descendant of the Vedic rta.

Homer says
“When a blameless king fears gods and upholds right judgement then the dark earth yields wheat and barley and the trees are laden with fruits; the young of his flocks are strong, and the sea gives abundance of fish”.

This statement has many parallels in Hindu literature.

Tiruvalluvar in Tamil Veda, Tirukkural also says this.
Manu says, even an infant king must not be despised.

Dr Radha Krishnan,  in his lengthy article, compared administration, justice and ethics as well.

History of Philosophy Eastern and Western, volume one,
Sarvepalli Radhakrishnans article, Manu and Kautilya 

—-Subham ——


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Date: 11 December 2018

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Greatest of the Modern Tamil Poets Subrahmanya Bharati met Sister Nivedita on his way back to Madras from the Benares Congress Conference. This brief meeting took place at Dum Dum, Calcutta in 1905. This meeting has changed Bharati’s life to a great extent.

Bharati went back via Calcutta with the intention of meeting great Bengali patriots. He was fortunate to meet Nivedita. Their conversation turned towards women’s upliftment. Sister Nivedita casually asked Bharati whether he was married. He replied in the affirmative and immediately Nivedita asked him whether his wife also came with him now. Bharati told her that it was not a normal practice to take women to social and public functions.

This reply made Nivedita very angry. She admonished him and said that we should give equal importance and equal participation for women. This awakened Bharati and opened his eyes. From that day onwards, he had vowed to work for women’s liberation. He came back to Madras (Chennai) and started a separate Tamil magazine (Chakravarthini) for the women.

Just before leaving Dum Dum , Sister Nivedita gave him a leaf which she brought from the Holy Himalayas. She touched his head and blessed him. Bharati preserved this leaf until his death in 1921.

K S Raman in an article writes,

“It may be of interest to know that Bharati had handsomely acknowledged his deep sense of gratitude to the great woman Nivedita by dedicating his two books to her in which he says, ‘in a flash without the aid of speech or reasoning thou revealed to me the sacredness of service to the Motherland and glory of renunciation. To you who by virtue of thy piety and excellence became the spiritual daughter of Swami Vivekananda, I dedicate this book’.

In one of his poems also he speaks of the Sister in most glowing terms, which reads as under,
“An offering to Mercy
A Temple of Love
A sun to his spiritual darkness
Rain to the withering country
A fire to the scroll of meanness’

The enlightenment Bharati derived from the Sister can be gauged from the poems he sang in praise of women and their equal status.
It was Bharati, more than anybody else in Tamil Nadu, who worked untiringly for the social uplift of women and the essays and poems he wrote on this question were legion.

About Sister Nivedita, K S Raman adds,

Born of an Irish parentage at Dungannon (Northern Ireland) in 1867, and despite her manifold pursuits, Margaret Noble (later Nivedita) had the growing consciousness of uncertainty and despair in respect of religion; neither Christian doctrines nor the tenets of Buddhism could provide panacea toher disturbed mental state. The visit of Swami Vivekananda to England in 1895 and his teachings kindled Margaret’s latent religious aspirations and desire to serve humanity selflessly. Therefore, she came to India in 1898, and lived in a cottage at Belur with Swamiji’s other two American disciples, was subsequently initiated into Brahmacharya and given the name of Nivedita (the dedicated). The rest of her life of thirteen years in India were devoted to the cause of Indian freedom and emancipation and upliftment of Indian women till her death in 1911.

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University and College Anecdotes (Post No.5613)


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Dr Charles W Eliot, the eminent educator of Harvard whose fate it has been to be dubiously immortalised by a five foot shelf of books, was once asked how Harvard had gained its prestige as the greatest storehouse of knowledge in the nation.

In all likelihood , said Dr Eliot slyly, it is because the freshmen bring us so much of it, and the seniors take away so little.



Attorney General Seymour of Virginia snorted at the establishment of William and Mary College, which was founded not only to inculcate learning but to save souls? He cried.

Damn your souls. Make tobacco.



Sir William B—, being at a parish meeting, made certain proposals which were objected to by a farmer. Highly enraged, Sir, said he to the farmer, do you know, sir, that I have been at two universities, and at two colleges in each university?

Well, sir, said the farmer, what o’ that? I had a calf that sucked two kye, an’ the observation I made was, the mair he sucked the greater calf he grew.


100 years to make an oak tree!
When James A. Garfield was president of Hiram College a man brought up his son to be entered as a student. He wanted the boy to take a course shorter than the regular one.

My son can never take all those studies, said the father.
He wants to get through more quickly. Can’t you arrange it for him?
Oh, yes, said Mr Garfield, He can take a short course: it all depends on what you want to make of him. When god wants to make an oak he takes a hundred years, but he only takes two months to make a squash.


A guide, New at his business, was showing a group of tourists around Oxford. Conscientiously, he pointed out all the places of interest. Coming in front of one of the buildings he paused and said,
‘And this is Trinity Hall, where the president of the college, the famous Benjamin Jowett, lives.’
Glancing around at the upturned faces, the guide then stooped and picked up a handful of gravel and threw it at a second story window. A red faced and a furious man opened the window almost immediately and peered out.

And that is president Jowett himself, said the guide in a tone of voice as though he had just completed a task well done.



Hendrik Willem Von Loon was visiting Cambridge.
That, said someone who was showing him around the university, is Miss Jones, pointing to a formidable looking female striding along before them. She is the mistress of Ridsley Hall.

Who, asked Von Loon, is Ridsley Hall?

Xxx Subham xxx

Part 5 OF 100 GREAT INDIAN WOMEN QUIZ (Post No.5605)
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81.Who was Vardhamana Mahavira’s mother?

82.Jawaharlal Nehru’s sister who became President of United Nations Organisation

83.First woman who was  a Parsi, to practise law in India and Britain

84.A woman scholar who discussed philosophic matters with King Janaka (according to Mahabharata)

85.Great botanist of India, born in Kerala, held many big posts

86.Tamil novelist, journalist, writer who wrote 115 books nearly 100 years ago.

87.Queen who taught Dharma to her son Alarka, according to Markandeya Purana

88.Seventeenth century mystic poet of Kashmir, whose birth name was Alakeshwar

89.Wife of first prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru, mother of Indira Gandhi,freedom fighter.

90.Freedom fighter and wife of Jayapaprakash Narayan…………….


91.A woman who made noise during Buddha’s lecture and Buddha told the meeting about Seven Types of Wives. What is the name of that wife?

92.In Kulothunga Choza’s inscriptions, names of  two queens are mentioned. who are they?

93.Poet, Hindi film actress and singer who acted in over 90 films in 33 years…

94.One of the Greatest Emperors of India was mighty Chandragupta; he married a princess and got the dowry of Mighty Magada. What is the name of that queen?

95.A woman who reconverted Appar to Hinduism from Jain faith, (Appar-one of the Great Four of Tamil Nadu)


97.Kashmiri Queens had their own treasuries and powers. One of the famous queens dismissed the mal administration of Padmaraja. What is her name?

  1. A queen went to forest with Pandu and died with him. who is she?

96,99, 100++ Can you recognize these great queens of Tamil Nadu? Who are these people?

Sanga, Ammanga Devi,Kunthavai, Manakkilli, Avanimuzuthudaiyal, Paduman Devi, Panchavan Mahadevi, Vanavan Mahadevi, Orattanan Sorappai, Thanthi Sakthi Vidangi/Loka Maha Devi, Mukkookizan Adikal, Thyagavalli, Thyaka pathaka, Sembian Mahadevi, Kopperun Devi, Anthuva Sellai, Ilangovenman.









87.MADALASA in Markandeya Puranam









97.Queen Suryamati (7th chapter of Rajatarangini)


96, 99, 100++++.

Kunthavai- Chalukya King Vimala Aditya’s wife, dauther of mighty Raja Raja Choza

Ammanga Devi- Rajendra Choza’s daughter, Wife of Chalukya king Raja raja

Manakkilli- Wife of Neduncheralathan

Sanga- Wife of Pallava king Nandivarman

Sembian Mahadevi- Wife of Kandarathiththa Choza

Avanimuluthudaiyal- Wife of Rajaraja II

Paduman Devi- Wife of Cheralathan

Panchavan Mahadevi- Wife of Muthaiyan Mahimalayan

Vanavan Mahadevi- Wife of Uttama Choza

Orattanan Sorappai- Another wife of Uttama choza

Lokamahadevi- Rajaraja’s Chief Queen

Mukkokizan Adikal- Wife of Vikrama Choza

Madurantaki- Wife of Kulothungan I, later Thyagavalli

Thyagapathaka- Wife of Vikrama Choza

((List of Tamil Queens is taken from famous historian Dr R NagaswaMy’s book.))