All posts tagged atharva veda

2.STRANGE STORIES FROM ATHARVANA VEDA- DOVE (Post No.10,587)

WRITTEN BY LONDON SWAMINATHAN

Post No. 10,587

Date uploaded in London – – 22 JANUARY 2022

Contact – swami_48@yahoo.com

Pictures are taken from various sources for spreading knowledge.

this is a non- commercial blog. Thanks for your great pictures.

tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com

THIS IS SECOND STORY; FIRST STORY WAS POSTED YESTERDAY.

Very strange verses are found in the last part of Atharvana Veda (AV); only from Aitareya Brahmana we come to know where they were used. Reading them separately wouldn’t mean anything to users. If you read the translation, you would understand it. But the commentaries on it ,give some information.

HYMN CXXXV

Verses called Frustration, Abuse, the Gods’ Offering, and Dazzling Power

1Bang! here he is. A dog,
2Swish! it is gone. Falling of leaves.
3Crunch! it is trodden on. A cow’s hoof.
4These Gods have gone astray. Do thou, Adhvaryu, quickly do
thy work.
5There is good resting for the cows. Take thy delight.

6O singer, the Ādityas brought rich dakshina to the Angirases.
  Singer, they went not near to it. Singer, they did not take the
   gift.
7Singer, they went not near to that; but, singer, they accepted
   this:
  That days may not be indistinct, nor sacrifices leaderless. p. 372
8And quickly Both he fly away, the White Horse swiftest on his
   feet,
  And swiftly fills his measure up.
9Ādityas, Rudras, Vasus, all pay worship unto thee. Accept this
   liberal gift, O Angiras,
  This bounty excellent and rich, this ample bounty spreading far.
10The Gods shall give the precious boon: let it be pleasant to
   your hearts.
  Let it be with you every day: accept our offerings in return.

11Vouchsafe us shelter, Indra, thou to be invoked from far away.
  Bring treasure hither to reward the far-famed bard who praises
   thee.
12Thou, Indra, to the trembling dove whose pinions had been rent
   and torn.
  Gayest ripe grain and Pilu fruit, gavest him water when athirst.
13The ready praiser loudly speaks though fastened triply with a
   strap.
  Yea, he commends the freshening draught, deprecates languor
   of disease.

xxx

Here is a story from the last book of (book 20) from AV:-

AV- Book 20- Sukta 723- Hymn 135

Mantra 12

“You, Indra, to the trembling dove whose wings had been rent and torn

Gave ripe grain and Piilu fruit, gave him water when thirsty.”

This story is not found anywhere in Hindu literature apart from this scanty reference.

First look at the explanation given by Griffith and then my comments on it:

R T H Griffith says,

Piilu- Careya Arborea- a tree of immense size, growing on the mountains of coromandel etc (Choza Mandala of Tamil Nadu), where it blossoms during the hot season, and the seed ripens three or four months after- Roxburg.

According to others it is the Salvadora Persica , a rather uncommon middle-sized tree which produces flowers and fruits all the year round.. I cannot trace the story referred to; but it was somewhat resembling that of the Suppliant Dove in the Mahabharata. (See Scenes from the Ramayana. pp 327-331

xxx

MY COMMENTS

In the Mahabharata and Sangam Tamil literature we have the famous Sibi Chakravarthy Story. Indra comes as Eagle and Agni comes as Dove and Emperor Sibi saves the dove by giving his own flesh (see my links below for full story).

But that does not match with the description in Mantra 12. There is another Dove story in Ramayana, which is also different from Mantra 12.

Here is the Dove Story from Ramayana:-

In the Yuddha kanda of Valmiki Ramayana, Rama tells the monkeys army a story of two doves which sacrificed themselves to satisfy the hunger of a murderous, cruel hunter. Rama cites this story to impress upon others who objected to taking Vibhishana, brother of Ravana , as a refugee. In both the incidents the message is that ‘one should not abandon one who seeks refuge’.

Story of Two Doves

The Two Dove Story must be very popular in those days. Rama just quotes it, but commentators give us the details; The story in short is as follows:

Two doves, male and female, were living happily in a forest. One day a hunter comes from the nearby village into the forest and spread his net to catch the birds. When the male dove went in search of food, the female dove gets caught in the net. The hunter who went out was caught in a stormy rain and could not locate his net in the darkness that follwed. After a great struggle he returns to the net he laid. In the meantime, the male dove also returned and wept on seeing his beloved caught in the net.

At the same time the hungry hunter also cried to the Deity of the Forest (Goddess Vana Devata) to save him. On seeing this the female dove advised her companion to entertain the ‘guest’ (hunter). One who has come as a guest to their place must always be saved. Male dove agreed ,also tried his best to satisfy the hunger of the guest/hunter. When he still felt hungry, the male dove went to a near by village , brought fire and made it big with sticks and fell into it saying that the hunter can eat him and satisfy his hunger. Female dove watching his sacrifice also died immediately. The hunter was moved by the birds’ sacrifice and decided not to kill animals anymore in his life.

This chapter in Valmiki Ramayana is considered very important because it explains the ‘Saranagati Tatva’ i.e. one who surrenders to you seeking help must be accepted and protected.

Though here we see the shivering and shaking doves, Indra is not seen. So we don’t know the story behind the AV reference. Probably that is gone into oblivion.

Xxx

Additional information on this hymn :

First three stanzas contain onomatopoeic riddles.

Stanza 7- The White Horse is Sun. We find highest number of words for Sun in Vedas. From Cow to Horse, Stars to Stones, everything is interpreted as Sun in the Vedic commentary. That may not be correct.

Stanzas 11-13 are called the Bhuutechchad or Dazzling Power from the effects produced by their employment by the gods in their contest with the Asuras. Similarly, the recitation will enable the sacrificer to overcome his enemy. This is another strange story of Gods defeating Asuras/demons with Songs and Sounds. I will narrate it in another article.

Dove and Hawk | Tamil and Vedas

https://tamilandvedas.com › tag › dove-and-hawk

12 Mar 2015 — Now let us look at some strange bird stories in the Mahabharata. Swan. (1).Water birds appear in the Yaksha Prasna (Questions of a Ghost) story.

IS DOVE A BAD OMEN? RIG VEDA ANSWERS & TAMIL …

https://tamilandvedas.com › 2021/11/01 › is-dove-a-ba…

1 Nov 2021 — this is a non- commercial blog. Thanks for your great pictures. tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com. The word for dove or pigeon is …

Sibi Story in Old Tamil Literature!

https://tamilandvedas.com › 2013/07/15 › sibi-story-in-…

15 Jul 2013 — He was a righteous king. Indra and Agni wanted to test his integrity and so they took the form of birds hawk and dove. The hawk chased the dove …

love | Tamil and Vedas

https://tamilandvedas.com › tag › love

There is another story in the epic where two doves sacrificed their lives in the … more so when beauty and virtue are coupled – Valmiki Ramayana 1-77-27.

–Subham—

Tags- strange story, two doves, Atharva Veda, Ramayana story,

Leave a comment

by Tamil and Vedas on January 22, 2022 • Permalink

Posted in Uncategorized

Tagged atharva veda, Ramayana story, strange story, two doves

Posted by Tamil and Vedas on January 22, 2022

https://tamilandvedas.com/2022/01/22/2-strange-stories-from-atharvana-veda-dove-post-no-10587/

TAMILS FOLLOW VEDIC SEERS IN ‘WORD AND THOUGHT’ (Post No.10,578)

WRITTEN BY LONDON SWAMINATHAN

Post No. 10,578

Date uploaded in London – – 19 JANUARY 2022

Contact – swami_48@yahoo.com

Pictures are taken from various sources for spreading knowledge.

this is a non- commercial blog. Thanks for your great pictures.

tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com

LET ME CONTINUE MY COMMENTARY ON THE MOST FAMOUS SECUALAR HYMN IN THE ATHARVA VEDA (AV) KNOWN AS ‘BHUMI SUKTAM’ OR ‘HYMN TO MOTHER EARTH’.

We have seen up to Mantra 28 out of 63 Mantras or stanzas in the hymn. Hindus spread the Five Elements concept (Pancha Bhutas) through out the world. They allocated separate qualities/Gunas and attributes to Water, Fire, Air, Earth, and Space/Ether. They also used them as similes. Earth has the Fragrance as its special Guna/quality. Fragrance is Gandha in Sanskrit. Tamils also use this. Another quality of earth is PATIENCE.

We dig it, excavate it, plough it, turn it upside down and yet it always helps like our own Mother. So, her virtue is Patience according to Tamil and Sanskrit scriptures. Here we see Tamil poet Tiru Valluvar repeat what the Atharva Veda seer said:-

“The earth supports the men who dig at it. Similarly, bear with those who scorn you; that is the best virtue”- Kural 151

Another translation of the same couplet,

“Just like the earth which supports the men who dig it,

Men of virtue bear with those who heap scorn on them” – 151

Sangam Tamil literature book Paripatal also has this comparison (2-55 Paripatal)

This is an echo of AV mantra 29; Vedic seer praises ‘Patient Earth’.

Xxx

Mantra 30 is about the usefulness of Water. It helps us to maintain our body clean.

There are two important points here.

Hindus take bath every day before worshipping God. Whether one lives in cold Himalayas or scorching Kanyakumari, they take a shower. This explodes the Aryan Migration Myth proposed by the Max Muller gang and Marxist Gang. Water is part and parcel of a Hindu’s life. From birth to death he must use water according to scriptures . that shows Vedic Hindus belong to tropical region and NOT Central Asia or Siberia.

Mantra 30 is also used by Tamil poet Valluvar in his Kural couplet,

If rains fail, festivals of the year and the daily worship of God will cease -Tiruk Kural couplet 18

In Mantra 29 , the Vedic seer warns the Anti God trespassers saying ‘we offer them an unpleasant welcome’.

Xxx

Mantra 31

Here again the poet is apologetic for treading on earth and requests Mother Earth to be pleasant in all the four directions. This is a genre followed by Hindus until this day. They ask for a shield or armour which will protect them from bad things coming from four or eight directions. In Sanskrit those mantras are called Kavasam/shield/Armour. Tamils also recite it every day.

Here the poet repeats ‘May I not stumble while I live in this world’. He said it already in a previous verse.

The poet is not talking about physical stumbling; he talks about moral stumbling. He prays to Mother Earth that he should not deviate from the moral path. He should not fall in bad habits.

Xxx

Mantra 32

Again the Vedic poet talks about protection in all the four directions North, East, West, South (NEWS).

We also get another picture of ancient India; like today there were robbers who waylaid the people and took all their valuables. This is in 2000 year old Sangam Tamil literature and earlier Vedic literature. Pusan was the God who protected them according to Vedas. Poet prays for protection from such attacks. Damayanti episode in the Mahabharata gives us a vivid description of such an attack ( I have already written about it).

But the important message in this Mantra or stanza is ‘Take Deadly Weapons Far Away from Us’. The poet prays for a peaceful world where there is no war. Rig Veda is full of wars and battles; so do Sangam Tamil literature. If we open a history book, we read more about wars than good things. The world has already suffered from two World Wars in our own time. The annual review of Economic Times says that at any time there are at least 50 battles or clashes happening in the world. In our own time we saw George Bush of America and Tony Blair of Britain used lame excuse to attack Libya and Iraq. Politicians are modern day robbers that is mentioned in the previous Vedic verse.

A Tamil poet by name Bharatidasan also prayed for Warless World. That became a popular song in two Tamil films (Puthiyator Ulakam Seyvom; ketta poridum Ulakaththai Verodu Saippom)

Kanchi Paramacharya Swami of Tamil Nadu wrote a beautiful Sanskrit verse, that was sung by the famous singer M S Subbalakshmi in the United Nations Organisation. He also emphasized that the world should Renounce War (Yuddham Tyajatha). He simply echoed the AV poet’s prayer. In one Rig Vedic hymn the poet/seer says in crystal clear term ‘We don’t want War’.

Here is Kanchi Shankaracharya’s message:-

English Translation

With Friendship please serve,

And conquer all the hearts,

Please think that others are like you,

Renounce war for ever,

forsake competition for ever,

forsake force to get,

Some one else’s property,

For Mother Earth is a wish giving cow,

And God our father is most compassionate,

Restrain, Donate and Be kind,

To all the people of this world.

May All People of this World be Happy and Prosperous

(I have underlined the words from Rig Veda and Upanishad)

Sanskrit Original

Maithreem Bhajatha , Akhila Hruth Jethreem,

Atmavat eva paraan api pashyatha

Yuddham thyajatha , Spardhaam Tyajata , thyajatha Pareshwa akrama aakramanam

Jananee Prthivee Kaamadughaastey

JanakO Deva: Sakala Dayaalu

Daamyata Datta Dayathvam Janathaa

Sreyo Bhooyaath Sakala Janaanaam

Sreyo Bhooyaath Sakala Janaanaam.

Xxx

LINGUISTIC TITBITS

Millions of Brahmin Hindus do thrice a day Sun Worship with water, known as Sandhyavandanam. They worship all important Vedic Gods, Goddess Gayatri and the Four Directions. The Sanskrit words found in the Mantra 31 for directions are used by Brahmins until today. Another wonder is that those Sanskrit words are used in Sangam Tamil Book Purananuru (verse 229 by Kudalur Kizar) in Tamilised form!

To be continued…………………………..

TAGS- earth, patience, Kural 151, Atharva Veda, No war, Maithreem Bhajatha

Leave a comment

by Tamil and Vedas on January 19, 2022 • Permalink

Posted in Uncategorized

Tagged atharva veda, earth, Kural 151, Maithreem Bhajatha, No war, patience

Posted by Tamil and Vedas on January 19, 2022

https://tamilandvedas.com/2022/01/19/tamils-follow-vedic-seers-in-word-and-thought-post-no-10578/

AMAZING TIME TRAVEL HYMNS IN ATHARVANA VEDA (Post No.10,526)

WRITTEN BY LONDON SWAMINATHAN

Post No. 10,526

Date uploaded in London – – 4 JANUARY 2022

Contact – swami_48@yahoo.com

Pictures are taken from various sources for spreading knowledge.

this is a non- commercial blog. Thanks for your great pictures.

tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com

Lot of scientific information in four Vedas is not analysed properly. If Indian scientists sit together and analyse cosmological information in the Vedas, they may predict certain things even before NASA or Russian Space Agencies.

I have already written how Atri Maharishi surprised his disciples by predicting the duration of a Total Solar Eclipse during Rig Vedic period. I also pointed out the Sun Spots referred to in the oldest book in the world, the Rig Veda (AV). Also read my predictions about planets in the Navagraha Stotra. This hymn explains the Hindu knowledge of planets; knowing that every object has gravity they named sun, moon, and other planets as Graha (Grip, Grab, attract). They named the largest planet Jupiter as Guru (heavy and one who elevates you). Only now scientists use the catapulting power of Jupiter to save fuel in space crafts.

Comparison between the first nuclear explosion in America and the Bhagavad Gita by Father of Nuclear explosion Robert Oppenheimer is known to most of you. I added one point by comparing the Viswarupa Darsanam to Blackholes.

I predicted that Mano vegam (Speed of thought or mind) can beat the speed of light, the fastest object in the universe. But I am not still satisfied about my own explanation of 60,000 thumb sized Valakhilyas travelling before Sun. Scientists must probe this Valakhilya ‘Lilliputians’ (Jonathan Swift’s Gulliver’s Travels).

Speed of thought is praised all through the Four Vedas. Devas mean ‘Light’ in Sanskrit. They exist in the form of light and travel at the speed of Mind. Light takes 4.5 light years to reach the nearest star Alpha Centauri, where as thought will take you in a fraction of a second. We have proof for it in the stories of Inter Galactic Traveller Narada Maharishi. (We have references to Narada in Atharvana Veda (AV) and Silappadikaram in Tamil.).

We have stories of Time Travel in the Vanaparva of Mahabharata, Time Dilation in Revati story of mythology. We have two beautiful episodes of Time Travel by Tamil Saivite saints Sambandar and Sundarar They went back in Time and brought back the dead girl and boy from the Parallel Universe. They came back grown ups according to their age. This shows that Time is Cyclical and everything happens again. Lord Krishna also confirmed it in the Bhagavad Gita by showing Arjuna all the baddies in Mahabharata were dead even before Arjuna killed them.

Hindu scriptures say more about Parallel Universe and Time Travel. Our projection of TIME as cyclical one and Big Shrink will be confirmed by scientific world soon. Big Bang theory and billions of galaxies are in all Tamil and Sanskrit devotional songs. Hindus knew it thousands of years before the West. Even a Hindu child recites a sloka where God is praised as bright as million Suns.

Xxxx

TIME TRAVEL IN AV

I would like to draw the attention of scientists to two hymns in the AV, where TIME is sung. My comments follow the hymns:-

AV; BOOK 19; HYMN LIII

A hymn to Time

1.Prolific, thousand-eyed, and undecaying, a horse with seven
   reins Time bears us onward.
  Sages inspired with holy knowledge mount him: his chariot
   wheels are all the worlds of creatures.

2.This Time hath seven rolling wheels and seven naves immorality
   is the chariot’s axle.
  This Time brings hitherward all worlds about us: as primal
  Deity is he entreated.

3.On Time is laid an overflowing beaker: this we behold in many
   a place appearing.
  He carries from us all these worlds of creatures. They call him
  Kāla in the loftiest heaven.

4.He only made the worlds of life, he only gathered the worlds
   of living things together.
  Their son did he become who was their Father: no other higher
   power than he existeth.

5.Kāla created yonder heaven, and Kāla made these realms of
   earth.
  By Kāla, stirred to motion, both what is and what shall be
   expand.

6.Kāla created land; the Sun in Kāla hath his light and heat.
In Kāla rest all things that be: in Kāla doth the eye discern.

7.In Kāla mind, in Kāla breath, in Kāla name are fixt and joined.
These living creatures, one and all, rejoice when Kāla hath
approached.

8.Kāla embraces Holy Fire, the Highest, Brahma in himself.
Yea, Kāla, who was father of Prajāpati, is Lord of All.

9.He made, he stirred this universe to motion, and on him it rests.
He, Kāla, having now become Brahma, holds Parameshthin up.

10.Kāla created living things and, first of all, Prajāpati.
From Kāla self-made Kasyapa, from Kāla Holy Fire was born.

XXXX

HYMN LIV

A hymn to Kāla; a continuation of the preceding hymn

1.From Kāla sprang the Waters, sprang the regions, Brahma,
Holy Fire.
The Sun ascends by Kāla, and in Kāla sinks again to rest.

2.By Kāla freshly blows the wind, mighty through Kāla is the
Earth: on Kāla rests the mighty Sky.

3.In Kāla erst the text produced what is and what is yet to be.
From Kāla sprang the Richas, and from Kāla was the Yajus
born.

4.They formed in Kāla sacrifice, eternal portion for the Gods.
In Kāla the Gandharvas and Apsarasas and worlds abide.

5.Atharvan and this Angiras in Kāla are supreme o’er heaven.
Both this world and the world that is most lofty, the pure
worlds and pure intermediate spaces,—

6.Yea, having conquered all the worlds by Brahma, Kāla as God
Supreme is supplicated.

XXXX

MY COMMENTS

One should remember that these English translations were done before 1900. They are at least 125 years old. The modern science at that time did not know much about universe or concept of Time.

Germans dealt with these hymns in detail. Comments and translations are available from Ralph TH Griffith, Muir, Ludwig, Scherman , Monier Williams and Ehni.

Even going by this translation one would wonder to read the words :-

“Sages inspired with holy knowledge mount him” (SAGE CAN DO TIME TRAVEL)

“Kāla created yonder heaven, and Kāla made these realms of
earth. (BILLIONS OF EARTHS)

By Kāla, stirred to motion, both what is and what shall be
expand.” (EXPANDING UNIVERSE)

“He made, he stirred this universe to motion” (BIG BANG )

“In Kāla erst the text produced what is and what is yet to be.”

“On Time is laid an overflowing beaker” (Boiling Sun)

Hindu seers sang these hymns thousands of years ago. Whatever that comes in the 19^th and 20^th book of AV is a repetition of the oldest book in the world RV, according to Western Translators. So they are as old as RV.

KALA has two meanings:- Time, Death

Big Bang theory is evident in these lines. But scientists could not say why the Big Bang happened 1500 million years ago. What or Who made the Big Bang to happen? Hindus have the answer.

First, one must appreciate all the Hymns on Cosmology in the Vedas. The Hindu seers thought about this and sang about this and conclude GOD who is ABOVE or BEYOND time is the cause for it.

Praising GOD as BEYOND TIME (Kalathryateetah) is itself enough to show their scientific approach. Millions of Hindus recite Vishnu Sahasranama even today and the very first stanza describes God as Bhuta Bhavya, Bhavat Prabuhu.

Commenting on these words Adi Shankara, greatest of the ancient commentators, says “The Master of the past, future and present. As He is beyond the sway f time in its three aspects, He is eternal being, and thus His majesty is undecaying. He is therefore the real Prabhu/Lord”

This Hindu concept of one BEYOND or ABOVE time is unknown to Westerners and scientists. All the cosmological hymns in the Vedas raise question after question and conclude One is the cause for this.

Westerners who translated the Vedas did not know this approach and they said the ancient seers had lot of DOUBTS. A Big Joke! Even a Tamil Saint Tayumanavar of 18^th century CE, sings a hymn in Tamil with Questions and leave the conclusion to the devotee. This is a genre. You raise lot of questions in the mind of hearer and make him to think about God.

Even a layman in Hinduism believes that God can travel faster than light. He invokes God after purifying himself, worship him or her inside his heart and say good bye at the end so that God can travel back to his abode in the sky. I do it everyday in my Sandhya Vandana ritual. So, Hindus believe in Time Travel.

Xxx

BASIC INTERPRETATION

At the basic level the two hymns on Time may be interpreted as Hymn on Sun. even that is scientific. When sun sets every evening ONE DAY in our life is gone. They play on the words NUMBER SEVEN in these hymns. Though it is Seven colours of Sun Ray (VIBGYOR seen though prism), lot of philosophical or religious interpretations are given.

That may be right. Hindus like coded language, pun, riddles and puzzles. Certain RV and AV hymns are just numbers, numbers only!! One can interpret the way one likes.

But my focus lies in

“Sages inspired with holy knowledge mount him”

That is sages can travel mounting on it. Riding on it.

Those who are very familiar with the life stories of Hindu saints, know that the seers can interfere in Time, they can change future, they can predict what is going to happen. But they do it very rarely. Only one person has explained it in writing. Guruji Golwalkar, second chief of RSS, had miraculous powers that he displayed when he was young. He predicted he death of two people who were guests in his house. After they had lunch and left, he told his mother this prediction. She was very angry to hear that. But it came true. Both died in an accident. His mother chastised him and made him to promise not to use this power again. When reporters asked him to comment on it, very late in his life, he said that one can see TIME RUNNING LIKE A RIVER FROM THE TOP OF A HILL. Sages can go beyond or above time and see past, present and future (It was in one of the old Organiser magazine issues). Swami Vivekananda also said that everything is inside you in a film roll. You can unwind/unroll it and see. And he adds he was east bothered about it. For Yogis, it is a child play. They wouldn’t waste time.

The lines “ Sages inspired with holy knowledge mount him” mean a lot. Though out the RV, Bhutakrt is applied to Rishis/seers as well. Later, this epithet goes only with God as in Vihnu Sahsranama. It means Rishis are creators of objects, living beings. Adi Shankara in his commentary explains it thus – the creator and destroyer of all existence in the universe. Ancient Vedic seers had that power!

My old Articles on the same theme:–

EINSTEIN THEORIES SMASHED BY HINDUS ? (Post No.8688)

https://tamilandvedas.com › 2020/09/15 › einstein-theo…

15 Sept 2020 — tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com. ONE MORE VERSE FROM VAISHNAVITE SAINT NAMMALVAR SHOWS THAT ‘EINSTEINS THEORIES OF RELATIVITY …

Time dilation | Tamil and Vedas

https://tamilandvedas.com › tag › time-dilation

EINSTEIN THEORIES SMASHED BY HINDUS ? (Post No.8688). WRITTEN BY LONDON SWAMINATHAN. Post No. 8688. Date uploaded in London – –15 SEPTEMBER 2020.

Time Travel | Tamil and Vedas

https://tamilandvedas.com › tag › time-travel

tamilandvedas.com › 2012/02/14 › time–travel-by-two-… 14 Feb 2012 – Tamil and Vedas. A blog exploring themes in Tamil and vedic literature. TIME TRAVEL by TWO …

TIME TRAVEL by TWO TAMIL SAINTS

https://tamilandvedas.com › 2012/02/14 › time-travel-b…

14 Feb 2012 — If we can invent a time machine then we can sit inside and travel back even to the days of Emperor Asoka or the Rig Veda. One question often …

Black hole in Bhagavad Gita | Tamil and Vedas

tamilandvedas.com › tag › black-hol…

8 Aug 2016 – Posts about Black hole in Bhagavad Gita written by Tamil and Vedas.

You visited this page on 06/09/20.

Aliens | Tamil and Vedas

tamilandvedas.com › tag › aliens

20 May 2012 – My friends get annoyed whenever I say, “it is already said in our Hindu scriptures”, interrupting their scientific discussions. One of my friends …

Do Hindus Believe in ETs and Alien Worlds? | Tamil and Vedas

tamilandvedas.com › 2012/01/28 › d…

28 Jan 2012 – We have clear description of aliens and Extra Terrestrials (ET) in our scriptures. The Laws of Physics declared by Newton and Einstein fail in …

How did Tamil Poet and Biblical Prophet Elijah go to Heaven …

tamilandvedas.com › 2014/08/06 › how-did-tamil-poet…

6 Aug 2014 – We know how the great Rishi Viswamitra tried to send Trishanku straight to heaven with human body. Viswamitra’s fire sacrifice helped him to …

HINDU WONDER – NEW INTERPRETATION OF SOUTHERN …

tamilandvedas.com › 2019/09/01 › hindu-wonder-new-…

1 Sep 2019 – The Southern Cross is named after the King Tri Sanku. … mountains’. tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com. But my latest research is about how and why they did name Southern Cross and Canopus after Trisanku …

THE MAGIC HERB THAT WILL MAKE YOU TO SEE FUTURE …

https://tamilandvedas.com › 2021/12/21 › the-magic-he…

21 Dec 2021 — Hindu’s fourth Veda Known as Atharvana Veda (AV) has very interesting information about magical and miraculous herbs.

Einstein | Tamil and Vedas

https://tamilandvedas.com › tag › einstein

16 Sept 2021 — EINSTEIN IS 50% RIGHT, DARWIN IS 100 % RIGHT – RIG VEDA THROWS MORE LIGHT (Post No.10101). WRITTEN BY LONDON SWAMINATHAN. Post No. 10,101.

Missing: ~~percent~~ ‎| Must include: percent

AMAZING UNITY IN RIG VEDA-4; EINSTEIN IS WRONG …

https://tamilandvedas.com › 2021/11/06 › amazing-unit…

6 Nov 2021 — Thanks for your great pictures. tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com 33.SPEED OF MIND-Mano Vega; EINSTEIN WRONG?

Atom Bomb to Zoo of the Bhagavad Gita: Part 2 – Tamil and …

https://tamilandvedas.com › 2011/11/23 › atom-bomb-t…

23 Nov 2011 — By S Swaminathan This is Part 2 of a two part series on the A to Z of the Bhagavad Gita. N for Nirvana Nirvana is an interesting term used …

Atom Bomb to Zoo of the Bhagavad Gita: Part 1 – Tamil and …

https://tamilandvedas.com › 2011/11/22 › atom-bomb-t…

22 Nov 2011 — He was a Sanskrit scholar and read Bhagavad Gita in Sanskrit. When he witnessed the first nuclear test ,huge fire … See Part 2 for N to Z.

Valakhilyas: 60000 thumb-sized ascetics who protect Humanityhttps://tamilandvedas.com › 2011/12/3131 Dec 2011 — Tamil and Vedas · Valakhilyas: 60,000 thumb-sized ascetics who protect Humanity.

60000 thumb-sized ascetics protect humanity (Tamil) – Tamil …https://tamilandvedas.com › valakhil…· Translate this page31 Dec 2011 — Please find the article: Valakhilyas: 60,000 thumb-sized ascetics protect humanity in Tamil below.

–subham—

tags- time travel, time hymns, atharva veda

Leave a comment

by Tamil and Vedas on January 4, 2022 • Permalink

Posted in Uncategorized

Tagged atharva veda, time hymns, Time Travel

Posted by Tamil and Vedas on January 4, 2022

https://tamilandvedas.com/2022/01/04/amazing-time-travel-hymns-in-atharvana-veda-post-no-10526/

INTERESTING HYMN ON HOUSE- TAMIL POET BHARATI AND ATHARVANA VEDA (Post No.10,416)

WRITTEN BY LONDON SWAMINATHAN

Post No. 10,416

Date uploaded in London – – 6 DECEMBER 2021

Contact – swami_48@yahoo.com

Pictures are taken from various sources for spreading knowledge.

this is a non- commercial blog. Thanks for your great pictures.

tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com

There is a very interesting poem/hymn on house, house warming and a traveller in the Atharvana Veda. This fourth Veda contains poems and statements on various subjects. One would be amazed to see that the Vedic seers have sung such poems in Sanskrit on various themes before Greek, Tamil Hebrew, Chinese , Persian and Latin literature appeared on the horizon. Though we have Old Testament , Zend Avesta and fragments of Chinese and old Greek matter on certain things none of them is dated before 1000 BCE, the date given to Atharvana Veda (AV) even by the conservative foreigners who translated Vedas.

Since most of the foreigners have no first-hand knowledge of Hindu way of life, their translation and interpretation are not correct. Moreover, they looked at them with a critical eye rather than appreciative.

I have given Ralph TH Griffith’s translation here. If we compare it with Tamil poet Bharati’s poem on House, who was well versed in Vedic literature it would bring out the meaning in a better light. Bharati has appreciated all that is in the Vedas and asked every one to beat the Vedic drum so that it would roar in all the eight directions on earth.

What are the words we find in AV hymn?

Delightful Houses, Rich in Power, Glad and Joyful,

Store of Milk, Replete with Wealth, Standing firm, Dwellers with Friendly Heart, Delightful Sweets, Friends, Freedom from Hunger, Freedom from Thirst, Kind Greetings, Cattle, Food, Peasant Drink, Full of Refreshment, Full of Charms, Full of Laughter, Full of Felicity, Ever free from Hunger, Ever free from Thirst, Happy Fortune, Abundant Growth

In one sentence A Heaven where there is happiness,food and water.

Even if you are asked to give a speech at a House Warming Party or Inauguration of a New Housing Block in your city, you may not remember all these positive words.

It is amazing to see that one community in the world known as Brahmins have passed them from one generation to another for thousands of years! One must be grateful to them for ever and it is Hindu’s duty to carry these positive thoughts to generations to come.

xxxx

Read the Vedic poem and then the poem by Tamil poet Bharati

Hymns of the Atharva Veda, by Ralph T.H. Griffith, [1895], at sacred-texts.com

HYMN LX, Book 7, AV (Suktam No.375)

A parting traveller’s address to the houses of his village

1.I, prudent, bringing power, a treasure-winner, with amicable
   eye that strikes no terror,
  Come, praising and kind-thoughted, to these houses: be not
   afraid of me, be glad and joyful.

2.Let these delightful Houses that are rich in power and store of
   milk,
  Replete with wealth and standing firm, become aware of our
   approach.

3.These Houses we invoke, whereon the distant exile sets his
   thought, p. a296
  Wherein dwells many a friendly heart: let them beware of our
   approach.

4.Thus greeted, ye of ample wealth, friends who enjoy delightful
   sweets.
  Be ever free from hunger, free from thirst! Ye Houses, fear us
   not.

5.Kind greeting to the cattle here, kind greeting to the goats and
   sheep!
  Then, of the food within our homes, kind greeting to the plea-
   sant drink!

6.Full of refreshment, full of charms, of laughter and felicity,
  Be ever free from hunger, free from thirst! Ye Houses, fear us
   not.
  Stay here, and come not after me: prosper in every form and
   shape.
  With happy fortune will I come! Grow more abundant still
   through me!

xxx

This poem is interpreted in two ways.

The footnote says – The hymn is used as a charm to inaugurate the construction of a house and on starting a journey.

But I would interpret it as a House Warming Speech and saying Good Bye to visitors who travelled long way to attend the Grahap Pravesa Ceremony (HOUSE ENTERING CEREMONY)

Leave a comment

by Tamil and Vedas on December 6, 2021 • Permalink

Posted in Uncategorized

Tagged atharva veda, Bharati, Gruha Pravesa, House, House warming

Posted by Tamil and Vedas on December 6, 2021

https://tamilandvedas.com/2021/12/06/interesting-hymn-on-house-tamil-poet-bharati-and-atharvana-veda-post-no-10416/

1,2,3, 4……. NUMBER WORSHIPPING HINDUS (Post No.10,378)

WRITTEN BY LONDON SWAMINATHAN

Post No. 10,378

Date uploaded in London – – 25 NOVEMBER 2021

Contact – swami_48@yahoo.com

Pictures are taken from various sources for spreading knowledge.

this is a non- commercial blog. Thanks for your great pictures.

tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com

Whole world knows Hindus worship everything from tree, snake, rivers and hills to numbers and grammar. As a Hindu when I get up between 4 am and 4-30 am in London, I look at my right palm and I say ‘I salute you Lakshmi, Sarasvati and Govinda’ (Karaagre vasate Lakshmi……). The age old famous sloka is recited by millions of RSS workers as well in their Pratasmaran (Morning Thoughts). Just before stepping on the ground from the bed, they ask the ‘pardon of Mother Earth’. It is not only done by high class orthodox Brahmins but also by farmers before ploughing the land, wood cutters before cutting the trees and thieves before robbing the people. But nowadays thieves go to Tirupati Balaji and share their booty in the money box there! I mean the political robbers and film word black marketeers.

The idea is optimum use of everything with environmental awareness in mind. That is why they respect everything. In the Rig Veda, the oldest book in the world, even stones pressing Soma plant and Wooden spoons used to pur ghee in the fire have separate hymns.

Now let me tell you about two hymns in the Atharva Veda, where there is ONLY numbers. They are addressed to Vanaspati and the Bull. The first hymn is described as a charm to get prosperity for the people and the second one for the welfare of the cattle. But why do they numbers 1, 10, 100 and 1100 is NOT explained by anyone. Is it not like beating around the bush . They could have directly asked the gods Give me this, Give me that. In fact there is more into it.

Look at the hymn and I will give my opinion on it.

HYMN XV

A charm for general prosperity

1Plant! I have those who shall avert the threatened danger, ten
   and one.
  O sacred Plant, produced aright! make sweetness, sweet thy self,
   for me.
2Twenty and two, O Plant, have I who shall avert the threatened
   ill.
  O sacred Plant, produced aright! make sweetness, sweet thyself,
   for me.

3Thirty and three, O Plant, have I who shall avert the threatened
   ill.
  O sacred Plant, produced aright! make sweetness, sweet thyself,
   for me.

4Forty and Four, O Plant, have I who shall avert the threatened
   ill.
  O sacred Plant, produced aright! make sweetness, sweet thyself,
   for me.

…….

…..

11Thousand and hundred, O Plant, have I who shall avert the threatened
   ill.
  O sacred Plant, produced aright! make sweetness, sweet thyself,
   for me.

It goes up to 11 in the same way

Ralph T H Griffith adds the following as footnote in his translation:-

Stanzas 3-11 of the hymn , which is a charm for general prosperity, are exactly the same with the exception of the numbers which increase by 11 in each stanza (thirty and three , forty and four, and so on ) up to one hundred and ten . In stanza 10 and 11 concluding with one thousand and one hundred.

XXX

NEXT MANTRA

HYMN XVI

A charm for the increase of cattle

1Bull! if thou art the single bull, beget. Thou hast no vital sap.

This is similar to the previous poem. The hymn is a charm for the increase and prosperity of the cattle. It goes up to 11 like the previous hymn.

Xxx

In the Rudram Chamakam (Anuvakam 11) Hymn of Yajur Veda

We have the following numbers

“Let me be granted the uneven number one, three, five, seven, Nine, eleven, thirteen, fifteen, seventeen, Nineteen, twenty one, twenty three, twenty five, twenty seven, twenty Nine, and thirty one, thirty three, and even numbers four, eight, twelve, and sixteen, twenty, and twenty four, twenty eight, thirty two thirty six, and forty and forty four, forty eight to ensure food and its production, its continuity, and the urge to enjoy, the origin of all productions, the sun, the heaven, the head of all, the infinite, the all pervading like the sky, time and the like present at the end of total consummation exists at the end of it on the earth as universal form, the Antaryami the immortal, the inner ruler of every thing, the omni present and omni potent.”

Odd numbers go up to 33

Even numbers go up to 48

xxxxxxx

My comments

Number symbolism is found in many cultures; but Sanskrit hymns are the oldest hymns with numbers. Even the most famous mantras are known only with numbers E.g. Eka/1 Aksharam (Om), Pancha/5 Aksharam (Namasivaya) , Shat /6 Aksharam (Saravanabhava) , Ashta/8 Aksharam (Narayanaya)etc.

But in the Yajur Veda the Chamakam numbers are not explained properly; here in Atharva veda also the explanation given by foreigners is wrong.

Traditionalists believe that Vedas are based on secret sounds and the proper recitation is more important than its meaning.

Another thing we see here is Ayurveda. Vanaspati (Head of Herbs or Herbal forest ) is addressed in the hymn.

One more point to be noted is Pati, Vati, Mati suffix which are found in the Rig Veda. Now we see them commonly in names such as Sarasvati, Ganapati and Indu Mati. We see the continuity throughout the Vedas and modern day naming of boys and girls. Hinduism is a Living Religion!

Later Tamil Siddhas also used this number symbolim

Yajur Veda Chamaka numbers in Sanskrit:-.

एका च मेतिस्रश्च मेपञ्च च मेसप्त च मे

नव च म एकदश च मेत्रयोदश च मेपंचदश च मे

सप्तदश च मेनवदश च म एक विशतिश्च मे

त्रयोविशतिश्च मेपंचविशतिश्च मे

सप्तविशतिश्च मेनवविशतिश्च म

एकत्रिशच्च मेत्रयस्त्रिशच्च मे

चतस्रश्च मेऽष्टौच मेद्वादश च मेषोडश च मे

विशतिश्च मेचतुर्विशतिश्च मेऽष्टाविशतिश्च मे

द्वात्रिशच्च मेषट्त्रिशच्च मेचत्वरिशच्च मे

चतुश्चत्वारिशच्च मेऽष्टाचत्वारिशच्च मे

वाजश्च प्रसवश्चापिजश्च क्रतुश्च सुवश्च मूर्धा च

व्यश्नियश्चान्त्यायनश्चान्त्यश्च भौवनश्च

भुवनश्चाधिपतिश्च

–subham—

tags- Numbers, Atharva Veda, Number symbolism

Leave a comment

by Tamil and Vedas on November 25, 2021 • Permalink

Posted in Uncategorized

Tagged atharva veda, Number symbolism, numbers

Posted by Tamil and Vedas on November 25, 2021

https://tamilandvedas.com/2021/11/25/123-4-number-worshipping-hindus-post-no-10378/

Wonder O Wonder! WORLD/ NATIONAL ANTHEMS IN RIG VEDA AND ATHARVA VEDA (Post No.10,316)

WRITTEN BY LONDON SWAMINATHAN

Post No. 10,316

Date uploaded in London – – 9 NOVEMBER 2021

Contact – swami_48@yahoo.com

Pictures are taken from various sources for spreading knowledge.

this is a non- commercial blog. Thanks for your great pictures.

tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com

From 13^th October 2013 until 13^th September 2017 , I wrote four articles about the Universal Prayers in the Vedas. Even before the Charter of the League of Nations said it, even before the Charter of the United Nations Organisation said it, Hindus said it !!!!

Said what?

Let there be peace in the world.

Let us be united.

Let the environment be pure and helpful to us!!

Some days back, after completing reading 10,552 mantras in the 1028 hymns of the Rig Veda, I entered into the Ocean of Atharva Veda.

Oh my God! Surprise! Surprise!

There I found another Universal Anthem.

All these are said and sung by our Rishis/ Seers thousands of years ago!

Even the half baked ‘scholars’ of the Western World date the Atharva Veda 1000 BCE and Rig Veda 2000 BCE. But the world’s greatest writer, greatest compiler Veda Vyasa who did an amazing feat of bringing all the 20,000 mantras together in the Four Vedas in four books say that he did it before 3102 BCE. So Hindus believe that he existed 5150 years before our time and he spread the Vedas from his days.

Hindus praise him as another Avatar of Vishnu and all sects of Hindus accept him as Guru and celebrate Vyasa Purnima as Guru Purnima in July every year. He was such an amazing organiser, selected four of his best students, and entrusted the work of spreading the Vedas by word of mouth. Another great wonder!

All the 20,000 mantras are spread by word of mouth in veda pata salas (Vedic Schools) and Shankara Mutts. His other great feat of writing 200,000 lines in Mahabharata including Bhagavad Gita’s 1400 lines is known to everybody. What an amazing brain!

xxxx

Just read these prayers. Then you will agree with me that the Vedas must be protected, Vedas must be recited, and Vedic priests must be saluted and honoured.

If you have more time read my old articles (links are at the end of this article).

This is what I found a few days ago in Atharva Veda:

FROM ATHARVA VEDA:-

FOLLOWING IN GRIFFITH’S TRANSLATION(AV canto/book 3, hymn 30)

Freedom from hate I bring to you, concord and unanimity.
Love one another as the cow loveth the calf that she hath borne.

2.One-minded with his mother let the son be loyal to his sire.
Let the wife, calm and gentle, speak words sweet as honey to her lord.

3.No brother hate his brother, no sister to sister be unkind.
Unanimous, with one intent, speak ye your speech in friend-
liness.

4.That spell through which Gods sever not, nor ever bear each
   other hate,
  That spell we lay upon your home, a bond of union for the
   men.

5.Intelligent, submissive, rest united, friendly and kind, bearing
   the yoke together.
  Come, speaking sweetly each one to the other. I make you one-
   intentioned and one-minded.

6.Let what you drink, your share of food be common together,
   with one common bond I bid you.
  Serve Agni, gathered round him like the spokes about the
   chariot nave.

7.With binding charm I make you all united, obeying one sole
   leader and one-minded.
  Even as the Gods who watch and guard the Amrita, at morn and
   eve may ye be kindly-hearted.

xxxx

FOLLOWING IN MUIR’S TRANSLATION (AV canto/book 3, hymn 30)

1. Like-heartedness, like-mindedness, non-hostility do I make for you; do ye show affection the one toward the other, as the inviolable [cow] toward her calf when born.

2. Be the son submissive to the father, like-minded with the mother; let the wife to the husband speak words full of honey.

3. Let not brother hate brother, nor sister sister; becoming accordant , of like courses, speak ye words auspiciously

4. That incantation in virtue of which the gods do not go apart, nor hate one another mutually, we perform in your house, concord for [your] men

5. Having superiors (jyā́yasvant), intentful, be ye not divided, accomplishing together, moving on with joint labor (sádhura); come hither speaking what is agreeable one to another; I make you united (sadhrīcī́na), like-minded.

6. Your drinking (prapā́) [be] the same, in common your share of food; in the same harness (yóktra) do I join ⌊yuj⌋ you together; worship ye Agni united, like spokes about a nave.

7. United, like-minded I make you, of one bunch, all of you, by [my] conciliation; [be] like the gods defending immortality (amṛ́ta); late and early be well-willing yours.

FROM RIG VEDA:-

COMMON BE YOUR PRAYERS

COMMON BE YOUR END/ CONCLUSION

COMMON BE YOUR PURPOSE/AIM

COMMON BE YOUR DELIBERATIONS

COMMON BE YOUR DESIRES

COMMON BE YOUR HEARTS

UNITED BE YOUR INTENTIONS

PERFECT BE THE UNION AMONGST YOU

–R.V.10-191 3,4

RIG VEDA 10-191 (Last Hymn in the RV)

संस॒मिद्यु॑वसे वृष॒न्नग्ने॒ विश्वा॑न्य॒र्य आ ।

इ॒ळस्प॒दे समि॑ध्यसे॒ स नो॒ वसू॒न्या भ॑र ॥ १०.१९१.०१

सं ग॑च्छध्वं॒ सं व॑दध्वं॒ सं वो॒ मनां॑सि जानताम् ।

दे॒वा भा॒गं यथा॒ पूर्वे॑ संजाना॒ना उ॒पास॑ते ॥ १०.१९१.०२

स॒मा॒नो मन्त्रः॒ समि॑तिः समा॒नी स॑मा॒नं मनः॑ स॒ह चि॒त्तमे॑षाम् ।

स॒मा॒नं मन्त्र॑म॒भि म॑न्त्रये वः समा॒नेन॑ वो ह॒विषा॑ जुहोमि ॥ १०.१९१.०३

स॒मा॒नी व॒ आकू॑तिः समा॒ना हृद॑यानि वः ।

स॒मा॒नम॑स्तु वो॒ मनो॒ यथा॑ वः॒ सुस॒हास॑ति ॥ १०.१९१.०४

WHAT A GENIUS VYASA WAS! THE WHOLE GIST OF RIGVEDA WAS GIVEN IN THE ABOVE FEW LINES!

LET US SALUTE VEDA VYASA ONE BILLION TIMES!

Kanchi Paramacharya has beautifully summarised the Vedas in his Maitrim Bhajata song, sung at the United Nations by M S Subbulakshmi, that reverberated in the sky, land and ocean on that day, still echoing through the caves and mountain peaks of the Himalayas.

Vedic Prayers | Tamil and Vedas

https://tamilandvedas.com › tag › vedic-prayers

13 Sept 2017 — Their prayers are echoed in simple Sanskrit and Tamil hymns of today. … Sons, long life, wealth and victory over enemies are frequent …

Where is peace? | Tamil and Vedas

https://tamilandvedas.com › tag › where-is-peace

13 Oct 2013 — Hindus always pray for peace for everyone in the world. The prayer for sharing all that is good … Most of the prayers for the common good.

Hindus are the Pioneers of National Anthems | Tamil and Vedas

https://tamilandvedas.com › 2014/04/26 › hindus-are-th…

26 Apr 2014 — Better than National Anthem: “The concluding sukta of the Rig Veda contains a hymn that should be regarded having a higher significance than the …

Vedic Hymn — better than National Anthems! | Tamil and Vedas

https://tamilandvedas.com › 2014/04/17 › vedic-hymn-…

17 Apr 2014 — Compiled by London Swaminathan Post no.— 985; Dated 17th April 2014. Hindus’ Views on Vedas It has become a fashion among Indian scholars …

–subham—

tags – Universal, Prayers, Anthems, Rig Veda, RV 10-191, AV.3-30, Atharva Veda, Unity, Peace

Leave a comment

by Tamil and Vedas on November 9, 2021 • Permalink

Posted in Uncategorized

Tagged Anthems, atharva veda, AV.3-30, Peace, prayers, Rig Veda, RV 10-191, unity, Universal

Posted by Tamil and Vedas on November 9, 2021

https://tamilandvedas.com/2021/11/09/wonder-o-wonder-world-national-anthems-in-rig-veda-and-atharva-veda-post-no-10316/

LEAD AND HORSESHOE IN ATHARVA VEDA- GHOST BUSTER! (Post No.10,259)

WRITTEN BY LONDON SWAMINATHAN

Post No. 10,259

Date uploaded in London – 26 OCTOBER 2021

Contact – swami_48@yahoo.com

Pictures are taken from various sources for spreading knowledge.

this is a non- commercial blog. Thanks for your great pictures.

It is very interesting to see the belief of the Vedic Hindus on the effects of metal Lead. The word SIISA for lead occurs in many verses of Atharva Veda. It is equally interesting to see the connection between HORSE SHOE lucky charms on doors of many houses in Western countries. Ralph T H Griffith himself highlights this point.

Let us look at Atharva Veda (AV) hymn 16 in the first Canto i.e. Book 1.

1.May potent Agni who destroys the demons bless and shelter us.

From greedy fiends who rise in troops at night time when the moon is dark.

2.Varuna’s benison has blessed the lead , and Agni strengthens it.

Indra has given me the lead; this verily repels the fiends.

3.This overcomes Vishkandha, this drives the voracious fiends away

By means of this have I, overthrown all the Pisachi’s demon brood

(fiend- demon; benison- blessing or benediction)

xxx

My comments:-

Here we see ghosts are active on Amavasya (new moon day) nights. But Lead would drive them away!

Griffith himself links it with the horseshoes hung in the doors of several houses. I see them in London houses while I walk to the station/ underground from my house.

xxx

Griffith summarises the commentary from other commentators with his views:

The lead — A piece of this metal employed as a charm against demons and sorcery. See Book 12-2-1, 19, 20, 53

So in England a horse shoe was in former times generally regarded as a protection against witches and is still sometimes nailed on or over the door of a house or a stable. Iron in other forms also used was used as a charm for stables .

‘Hang up hooks and shears to scare

hence the hag that rides the mare

till all they be wet with the mire

and the sweat. This observed, the manes shall be

Of your horses, all knot-free- Herrick’

—–Charms and ceremonies

Vishkandha

From ‘vi’ apart and ‘skandha’ shoulder, drawing asunder or or racking the shoulders; apparently acute rheumatism in the shoulders and neck. Vishkandha is frequently mentioned in the AV, but nowhere clearly defined . the commentator attributes its attacks to the malice of fiends and evil spirits.

The Pisachi’s demon brood – Pisachii is the feminine form of Pisachi (RV 1-133-5) or Pisacha, the name of a class of fierce and malignant imps or goblins Pisach in Hindi and Pisachu in Tamil are in still common use as general terms for goblins or fiends. The feminine in Hindi is Pisachinii.

Xxx

In the 12^th Book hymn two has references to lead in mantras 1, 19, 20, 53.

Griffith says

Lead used in incantations as charm to drive away malevolent charms.

My comments

Though metal talismans are known and discovered in so many countries, lead is not linked with demons and diseases. But AV prescribes lead as an anti-dote to demons and diseases. This hymn , is about funeral rites. Westerners struggle to find the full meaning and they escape easily by saying these x, y, z mantras are out of place here!

Pisaasu or Pisachi is a common Sanskrit word and found in the Rig Veda. Until this day it is sued in Tamil. We find it in Sangam Literature book Kalittokai . All Tamil words for ghosts and fiend are also in other languages. Goblin, Ghoul , Algol are in Tamil as Kuuli, Kazuthu, Alagai.

Bhutham and Pisachu are also in Tamil Literature.

I have written research article to show the connection between the double star system Algol and Alagai in Tirukkural.

I think that anything unseen that affects you mentally or physically is called a demon or devil. For instance, if you include one word in dictionary for all these things either Virus or bacteria, that would bring sense, clear meaning.

Even when they knew that an eclipse is called by the shadow of heavenly bodies and calculated hem precisely for thousands of years, they wrote a snake is devouring either moon or sun for the sake of illiterates. That is Sangam Tamil literature and Sanskrit literature. They were not idiots.

In the same way instead of writing bacteria or virus they simply said that a disease or depression was caused by Pisach or ghost (unseen microscopic organism). And at the same time, they used the concept of Placebo and proper Ayurvedic or Siddha medicines. Rig Veda talks about 107 herbs in one hymn and in other hymns, about herbs, water therapy , un light therapy etc.

Above all, God is called Mr Doctor and Mr Medicine (Bhishak and Besajam ) only in Hinduism. The origin of Ayurveda is in Rig Veda, the oldest book in the world.

INDUS VALLEY

We have to do more research to see whether this U shape has any connetion to Indus Valley script with numerous U letters.

Xxx subham xxxx

tags – norseshoe, lead, Atharva veda, Ghost buster

Leave a comment

by Tamil and Vedas on October 26, 2021 • Permalink

Posted in Uncategorized

Tagged atharva veda, ghost buster, lead, norseshoe

Posted by Tamil and Vedas on October 26, 2021

https://tamilandvedas.com/2021/10/26/lead-and-horseshoe-in-atharva-veda-ghost-buster-post-no-10259/

30 MORE QUOTATIONS FROM ATHARVA VEDA (Post No.4348)

Written by London Swaminathan

Date: 29 October 2017

Time uploaded in London- 16-07

Post No. 4348

Pictures shown here are taken from various sources such as Facebook friends, Books, Google and newspapers; thanks.

November 2017 ‘Good Thoughts’ Calendar

FESTIVALS IN NOVEMBER: 4- Guru Nanak birthday; 6 Kanakadasa Jayanti; 23-Sathya Saibaba Jayanti

NEW MOON/AMAVASYA-18

FULL MOON/PURNIMA-3/4

EKADASI/FASTING DAYS — 14, 29

AUSPICIOUS DAYS (MUHURTAS)- 2, 9, 24, 30

November 1 WEDNESADY

WOMEN AND MARRIAGE

O Indra, you join this couple like the ChaKravak (BIRD) and his male. May they attain to their full old age with children in their happy homes. AV 14-2-64 (ALSO RV)

November 2 THURSDAY

HUSBAND AND WIFE

I am this man, you are the dame

I am the psalm, you are the verse

I am the heaven, you are the earth

So will we dwell together here

Parents of children yet to be AV 14-2-71

November 3 FRIDAY

LOVERS

Sweet are the glances of our eyes,

Our faces are as smooth as balms

Within your bosom harbour me

On spirit dwell in both of us -AV 7-36 (ALSO RV)

November 4 SATURDAY

YOU ARE MINE

With this my robe, inherited from Manu, I envelop you, so that you may be all my own and give no thought to other dames- AV 7-37

November 5 SUNDAY

HARVEST CHILDREN FROM HER

This dame has come as a corn field; there you sow the seed of future harvest; she from her teeming side shall bear you children and feed them from the fountain of her bosom AV 14-2-14

November 6 MONDAY

YOU ARE SARASVATI

Take your stand; you are a queen like Vishnu, here Sarasvati—AV 14-2-15

November 7 TUESDAY

I AM THE SPEAKER

I am the speaker here, not you; you speak where the assembly meet; you shall be mine, only mine and never mention other dames -AV7-38-4

November 8 WEDNESADY

ENTER THE HOME

Bliss bringer, furthering your household welfare, dear gladdening your husband and her father, enter this home, mild to your husband’s mother AV 14-2-26

November 9 THURSDAY

FATHER IN LAW

Be pleasant to your husband’s father, sweet to your husband and lord. To all their family be gentle and favour these men’s prosperity AV 14-2-27

November 10 FRIDAY

WAKE UP EARLY

Watchful and understanding like Indrani wake you before he earliest light of morning –AV 14-2-31

November 11 SATURDAY

SECOND HUSBAND

If she is widowed find her a second husband- AV 9-5-27

November 12 SUNDAY

HOSPITALITY

The man who offers food follows in the footsteps of Prajapati – AV 9-6-29

November 13 MONDAY

Verily when a host looks at his guests, he looks at the place of sacrifice, when he salutes them reverently, he undergoes Diksha.- AV 9-6-3/5

November 14 TUESDAY

FOOD FOR THE GUESTS

This man whose food the guests eat, hath all his wickedness blotted out. All that man’s sin whose food they do not eat remains unblotted out. –AV 9-6-25/26

November 15 WEDNESADY

GUEST

The man should not eat before the guest who is versed in holy lore. When the guest had eaten he should eat—AV 9-6-31

November 16 THURSDAY

GUIDE MANKIND

Leaving the world behind and making choice of Divine World, gird up your loins with all your friends to lean on and guide mankind – AV 7-105

November 17 FRIDAY

LOVE ONE ANOTHER

Freedom from hate I bring to you, concord and unanimity. Love one another as the cow loves the calf that she has borne AV 3-30-1

November 18 SATURDAY

LOYALTY

One minded with his mother let the son be loyal to his father. Let the wife, calm and gentle, speak words sweet as honey to her lord -AV 3-30-2

November 19 SUNDAY

HATRED

No brother hats his brother, no sister to sister be unkind; Unanimous with one content, you speak in friendliness. AV 3-30-3

November 20 MONDAY

ONE MIND

Intelligent, submissive, rest united, friendly and kind, sharing each other’s labours. Come, speaking sweetly each one to the other. I make you one intentioned and one minded.—AV 3-30-5

November 21 TUESDAY

COMMON BOND

Let what you drink, your share of food be common, together with one common bond I bind you. Serve Agni, gathered round him like the spokes about the Chariots nave.

November 22 WEDNESADY

CHARM

with the biding charm, I make you all united, obeying one sole leader and one minded AV 3-30-7

November 23 THURSDAY

CREMATION

gather him to his ancestors, O Agni, who goes over with oblations offered in you. Let him approach his survivors with renewed life and invested with a splendid body AV 18-2-10

November 24 FRIDAY

AGNI, BURN THIS MAN HAPPILY FROM BEHIND, BEFORE, ABOVE AND UNDER—AV 18-4-11

November 25 SATURDAY

MOTHER EARTH

I wrap you up in sacred vesture of our Mother Earth- AV 18-2-52

Cover him as a mother draws her skirt about her child, O Earth – AV 18-3-50

November 26 SUNDAY

TRUTH

If a hundred other Brahmins beg the cow of the owner, the sages have said that out of them she belongs to him who knows the Truth AV 12-4-22

November 27 MONDAY

BEEF EATERS

Whoever regarding the cow as fruitless, cooks her flesh at home, god makes beggars of his sons and grandsons. —AV 12-4-38

November 28 TUESDAY

If one cooks the cow in his house, in sacrifice or otherwise, an offender of saints and Brahmins he, unrighteous fellow, hastens his departure from the world – AV 12-4-53

November 29 WEDNESADY

LIVE UPTO 100 YEARS

Come hither, stand upon this stone. Your body shall become a stone. The all-pervading god shall make your life a hundred years long – AV2-13-4

November 30 THURSDAY

TRUTH AND ORDER

Truth, eternal order, dedication—these uphold the earth. The home of cattle, horses, birds, may she give us lustre………….. whatever I dig from you, may it be speedily regenerated!O purifier, may we not injure their heart! Earth, My Mother, set me securely with bliss in full accord with the heaven- AV 12-1-1

–EVERY MONTH I PUBLISH 30 0R 31 QUOTES WITH THE SOURCE IN THE MONTHLY CALEDAR. SO FAR OVER 1500 QUOTATIONS ROM HINDU BOOKS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED IN TAMIL AND ENGLISH; ENJOY READING THEM.

40 Important Quotations from the Atharva Veda! | Tamil and Vedas

https://tamilandvedas.com/2014/05/…/40-important-quotations-from-the-atharva-veda…

2 May 2014 – The Fourth Veda Atharva Veda is divided into 20 books (Kanda). … I have already given the important quotation from the Atharva Veda in…

30 Quotations from The Vedas | Tamil and Vedas

https://tamilandvedas.com/2014/06/…/30-quotations-from-the-veda…

26 Jun 2014 – 30 important Quotes from the Four Vedas are given in this month’s … ((RV=Rig Veda; YV= Yajur Veda; AV= Atharva Veda; SV =Sama Veda)).

Gems from the Atharva Veda | Tamil and Vedas

https://tamilandvedas.com/2013/09/27/gems-from-the-atharva-veda/

27 Sep 2013 – The above quote of Atharva Veda is reflected in Tirukkural as well: ‘May we be charitable’:Giving to the poor is real charity, says Valluvar under …

Quotations on Vedas | Tamil and Vedas

https://tamilandvedas.com/tag/quotations-on-vedas/

22 Jul 2017 – Posts about Quotations on Vedas written by Tamil and Vedas. … They are divided into four books: Rig, Yajur, Sama and Atharva Vedas. Hindus …

–SUBHAM, SUBHAM–

1 Comment

by Tamil and Vedas on October 29, 2017 • Permalink

Posted in Quotations, Religion

Tagged atharva veda, calendar, more quotations, November 2017

Posted by Tamil and Vedas on October 29, 2017

https://tamilandvedas.com/2017/10/29/30-more-quotations-from-atharva-veda-post-no-4348/

Snake bite cure in Atharva Veda(Post No.3268)

garuda-snake

Written by London Swaminathan

Date: 19 October 2016

Time uploaded in London: 18-47

Post No.3268

Pictures are taken from Wikipedia and other sources; thanks. (Picture is used only for representational purpose; no connection with the current article.)

Contact swami_48@yahoo.com

snake-cobra

Following Prayer is found in the Sixth Kanda of Atharvana Veda:-

Prayers for purging Snake poison

“Just as the Surya knows the heaven well,I am well acquainted with the story of the birth of the snakes. Just as the sun removes the darkness of the night, I remove the snake poison from your body.

The Brahmanas , the sages and gods knew how to purge snake poison. The learning has come down to us from the past and will be used in future as well. I cleanse you of snake poison with that learning.

I sprinkle you with waters of the rivers and mountains. I sprinkle you with the waters of the rivers Parushni and Shipala. May peace descend upon your face. May peace descend on your heart”.

(The Parushni is now identified as the Iravati or the Ravi. It is not possible to identify Shipala. The Shipala probably simply meant a stream in which the aquatic plant shaivala grew.)

Snake Bite Miracles

Hindu literature has got many stories of snake bite cure miracles.Hindu poets use the similes such as “even the snakes obey/ listen to the Mani Mantra Aushada” meaning snakes are controlled by the Mantra or Gem stones or herbs.

It is interesting to note that Manu Smrti advised people to wear gemstones to counter the poison.(Manu 7-218)

Tamil poet Kamban and Sanskrit poet Kalidasa used similes saying that the snakes listen to mantras and behaves.

When the King Dilipan tried to shoot an arrow at the lion that attacked his divine cow, his hands became numb like the snake benumbed by the mantras and the herbs.( Raghu Vamsam 2-32)

Kamban says the demoness Ayomuki misbehaved with Lakshmana like a bad snake who did not obey the command of mantras. (Aranyakas Kandam)

Tamil Miracles

There are several miracle stories in Tamil and Sanskrit literature where saints cured their disciples bitten by the snakes. They say the verses sung by the saint poets revived the dead. Two famous saints lived in Tamil Nadu 1400 years ago. One of them was Sambandar, a Boy Wonder who did many miracles before he died at the age of sixteen. A woman who eloped with her boyfriend was staying at a choultry in Tirumarukal. He was bitten by snake at the dead of night and died at once. When the woman was crying loudly Sambandar came there and revived him by singing the praise of Lord Siva. Lord Siva wash known as Neelakandan– The Blue Necked– because he swallowed poison and his wife Parvati stopped it at his neck. His neck became blue because of the poison.

Sambandars contemporary was another saint by name Appar. He visited Thingalur, a town where there was a water distribution centre named after him. During summer, Hindus used to distribute drinking water as a charity. When Appar asked people there, without revealing his identity, who the gentleman was that named the centre after Appar alias Tirunavukkarasu. When he was taken to the owner of the charity centre, Apputhi Adikal, Appar pretended as if he was someone else, and criticised Apputhi Adikal for using the name of a non entity like Appar.

Apputhi became furious and reeled out the glorious deeds of Appar and asked how dare he criticised him as an unknown person. At that point, Appar revealed his true identity and Apputhi was in ecstasy. He insisted that Appar must stay for dinner which he agreed whole heartedly. It is customary for the Tamils to eat on banana leaves. When Apputhi’s son went into the garden to cut some leaves from the plantain tree he was bit ten by a snake and he died on the spot. Apputhi and his wife decided to hide him from Appar. When they were about to serve the food, Appar insisted that Apputhi’s son also should join them. With great grief and much hesitation they told Appar what happened. Immediately Appar sang ten verses praising Lord Siva and the boy came alive.

Pandaripura Miracle

We read about similar incidents in Maratti language also. There were two true devotees of Pandaripuram Panduranga. Kamalakar and his wife Sumati heard about the visit of great Saint Namadeva. When he came to the town, the couple wanted to feed all the people in his group. Sumati asked her son Padmakar to fetch some fuel wood from the backyard. When Padmakar did this he was bitten by a snake and died. The couple decided not to upset the guests, and she hid the body, wrapped in an old cloth. When Namadeva insisted all the family members should sit with him in the dinner, the couple revealed the tragedy. Namdeo sang in praise of Lord Panduranga and the boy came alive as if woken form sleep.

snake-nandhu-fb

In such stories we see the power of divine words. Coupled with the power of the Saints, miracles do happen. But not all the people are lucky to be alive like the above; we hear about hundreds of deaths every year due to snake poison. God’s devotees are saved if they are at the right place at the right time with the right people!

Tamil Poet Kamban and Snakes

There are two anecdotes about Tamil poet Kamban. He came to launch his new book about agriculturalists. One of the important guests was Chedirayan from Pondicherry. Unfortunately a snake suddenly came from nowhere and bit him. Moreover, it wound in his feet. Kamba sang some verses and then the snake left the place.

On another occasion, a snake bit one of the Chidambaram dikshitars’ son. Kamban sang a few verses from the Nagapasa verses in the Ramayana and the boy was revived.

-Subham-

2 Comments

by Tamil and Vedas on October 19, 2016 • Permalink

Posted in Culture, Miracles

Tagged atharva veda, snake bite cures, snake miracles

Posted by Tamil and Vedas on October 19, 2016

https://tamilandvedas.com/2016/10/19/snake-bite-cure-in-atharva-vedapost-no-3268/

Jangida Mystery in Atharva Veda!

Research paper written by London Swaminathan

Research article No.1528; Dated 29^th December 2014.

Jangida is mentioned in Atharva Veda as panacea, cure-all, elixir, remedy and a magic bullet for many diseases. But no one knows for sure what it meant. Some scholars identify this with Terminalia Arjuna tree. Termanalia Arjuna is known as Arjuna tree in North India and Marutha maram in Tamil Nadu. Telugu name- Thella maddi, Malayalam name – Neer Maruthu

Already some research papers on the effect of Arjun tree on cardio vascular diseases (Heart diseases) have been published, but the result is inconclusive. Marutha maram (arjun tree) is the Sthala Vrksa of some temples in Tamil Nadu (Tiruvidaimaruthur/Madhyarjuna; Tiruppudaimaruthur/Budarjuna) and (Sri sailam/Mallikarjuna) Andhra Pradesh . There are few others who identify the Jandgida with other plants. But no definite evidence is produced. The reason being the name disappeared after the Atharva Veda period.

Vedic Index of Names and Subjects by AA Macdonell and A B Keith says,

“Jangida is the name of a healing plant mentioned in the hymns of the Atharva Veda (ii,4; xix 34,35). It was used as an amulet against the diseases, or symptoms of disease, Takman, Balasa, Asarika, Visarika, Prestyamamaya, fevers and rheumatic pains Viskandha and Samskandha, Jambha and so on (AV xix-34,10, ii-4,1-5)

It is also regarded as a specific against all diseases and as the best of healing powers (AV xix-34,9,7).

It is said to be produced from the juices of (rasa) ploughing (krsi), but this only mean that it grew in cultivated land, not that it was itself cultivated.

What plant the name designates is quite uncertain, for it disappears in the later literature. Caland takes it in the Kausika Sutra to be Terminalia arjuneya”

The above matter is taken from Vedic Index

My comments:

Foreign scholars were quick to identify the Soma plant with narcotic drug and narcotic plants without any evidence, but here they struggle! This shows their attitude. They are from a culture of drug users and so they can see only narcotic drug in it. I have already written in my articles how the ancient Pandya Tamil inscriptions describe Somayajis as Manosudhdha (mind purifying juice). Vedic literature criticises even the use of alcohol. They clearly differentiate Sura Bana and Soma bana. So, one must not depend entirely on the foreign translations of the Vedas. The difference of opinion on each word, name and the phrase even among themselves is enough to estimate their translations!

The Atharva Veda by Devi Chand gives some new information on Jangida plant:

“Sayana interprets Jangida as a tree found near Benaras (Varanasi). This explanation is illogical, as it savours of history, but the Vedas are free from history. The word means God, who devours all sins. Griffith explains the word to mean a plant frequently mentioned in the Atharva Veda as a charm against demon and a specific for various diseases. This interpretation too is irrational. Griffith writes Vishkandha is probably rheumatism, and the name of the fiend to whose malignity the diseases was attributed. This does not appeal to reason. The word means God, who is the averter of obstacles”

The Atharva Veda by Devi Chand, page 30.

Terminalia arjuna

But later in the book the translation of Anuvalka 5, Hymn XXXIV, says Jangida is a herb!

“O Jangida herb, thou art the consumer of all destructive forces in the form of germs, the secret weapons like mines etc, employed by the enemies. O Jangida, Thou art the protector. Let jangida guard all our men and cattle.

Let this potent herb destroy the women of ill repute, the large group of gamblers and hundreds of secret means of destruction like mine and dynamites employed by the enemy to harm us. Let it set all these at naught by its powerful energy and radiation.”

“The leaned physicians grow thee well by transplanting thee thrice in the well prepared soil. The learned Vedic scholars of yore, well versed in biological science knew thee.”

Devi Chand adds in the foot note: “ The superfine properties of Janghida are also worth research. They are meant to be some potent in removing so many fatal diseases. This sukta (5-35)may also be aptly applied to Jangida, the Arjun tree which is called Indra and Sahasra Chakshu in books of Ayurveda. It is not a charm or an amulet that is meant be jangida.

Devi chand translated it differently from the western scholars.

All these show that the Vedas were very ancient. One can easily translate Gilgamesh and such stuff, but not the Vedas!

Terminalia pictures are taken from Wikipedia;thanks.

contact swami_48@yahoo.com

Leave a comment

by Tamil and Vedas on December 29, 2014 • Permalink

Posted in Medicine, Religion, Science

Tagged atharva veda, Jangida, Terminalia

Posted by Tamil and Vedas on December 29, 2014

https://tamilandvedas.com/2014/12/29/jangida-mystery-in-atharva-veda/

Tamil and Vedas

All posts tagged atharva veda

2.STRANGE STORIES FROM ATHARVANA VEDA- DOVE (Post No.10,587)

TAMILS FOLLOW VEDIC SEERS IN ‘WORD AND THOUGHT’ (Post No.10,578)

AMAZING TIME TRAVEL HYMNS IN ATHARVANA VEDA (Post No.10,526)

INTERESTING HYMN ON HOUSE- TAMIL POET BHARATI AND ATHARVANA VEDA (Post No.10,416)

1,2,3, 4……. NUMBER WORSHIPPING HINDUS (Post No.10,378)

Wonder O Wonder! WORLD/ NATIONAL ANTHEMS IN RIG VEDA AND ATHARVA VEDA (Post No.10,316)

LEAD AND HORSESHOE IN ATHARVA VEDA- GHOST BUSTER! (Post No.10,259)

30 MORE QUOTATIONS FROM ATHARVA VEDA (Post No.4348)

Snake bite cure in Atharva Veda(Post No.3268)

Jangida Mystery in Atharva Veda!

Categories

Archives

Tag Cloud

Blog Stats

Follow Blog via Email

Click here to ‘Like’ this page on Facebook!

Bugscore