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In Tamil Nadu you may find men named ‘ Mr One Thousand’ (Kan Ayiram in Tamil). But there is an awkward story behind this name in later Puranas and even in Mahabharata. I argue in this article that it was a false and funny story and it was developed later by the Pauranikas/Upanyasakas, i.e. people who delivered discourses. It was the style they followed even in explaining occurrences of solar and lunar eclipses. Hindus calculated the eclipses precisely and yet they kept on saying ‘the snake dragon devouring the moon or sun’. Even Kalidas and Sangam Tamil poets repeated this 2000 years ago. This shows that all scientific things were simplified in the way of popular and funny stories.
Rig Veda says very clearly that a solar eclipse finished before Atri finished reciting his verse/hymn. His disciples praised him for this feat. They did not know that Rishi Atri was an astronomer. No total eclipse can lost more than seven minutes. That too is very rare.
In the Mahabharata also, Krishna knew the day of solar eclipse. Jayadratha put down his bow and arrow thinking that the sun has already set, and he could take rest now. But Krishna asked Arjuna to shoot him down when the sun was out after the eclipse.
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Here is a funny story about Indra.
According to the Mahabharata, Indra seduced or tried to seduce Ahalya, wife of Gautama Rishi. And the sage’s curse impressed upon him a thousand marks resembling the female organ, so he was called Sa-yoni; but these marks were afterwards changed to eyes and hence he is called Netra Yoni and Sahasraksha, the thousand eyed (Yoni is female organ). But there is no support for this story in the Rig Veda, the oldest book in the world .
Rig Veda called Agni, Varuna and Indra 1000 eyed. The meaning was they are all ‘omni scient’. They know everything and they could see everything. Even if human beings did something secretly, they would know.
But Tamils also believed the story of Indra with Thousand Eyes. We have a proof in Tamil Hymn Tevaram. Tiru Jnana Sambandar who lived 1400 years ago during the reign of Mahendra Pallava and Pandyan Nedumaran composed a poem in the village Tirukkannanar Temple near Vaitheeswaran koil in Tamil Nadu. Sambandar himself refers to 1000 eyes of Indra. After Indra’s prayer Lord Shiva changed his 1000 Yoni signs into 1000 eyes.
In Tiruvarur area there is another Kannayiranathar temple in Tirukkaravasal where Siva is said to have appeared with 1000 eyes before Brahma and gave him back his power of creation. Brahma who oversees Creation in Hinduism briefly lost it due to his arrogance.
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In the Rig Veda tenth Mandala 10-79-5 Agni is said to have 1000 eyes.
“This man who quickly gives him food, who offers his gift of oil and butter and supports him
Him with his 1000 eyes he closely looks on; thou showest him thy face from all sides, Agni”.
Moreover, we should not take the number 1000 literally. In 10-73-3 , Indra is said to have 1000 wolves or hyenas in his mouth.
“Thousand hyenas in thy mouth thou holdest, O Indra , mayst thou turn the Asvins hither”.
In 8-45-26
Indra is said to have 1000 arms.
In battle of a thousand arms Indra drank Kadru’s soma juice;
There he displayed his manly might.
In another hymn Varuna is said to have 1000 eyes.
In the most famous
Purushasukta hymn RV.10-90-1
“A thousand heads, a thousand eyes, a thousand feet;
On every side pervading earth He fills a space ten fingers wide”.
All these hymns show that 1000 means many or several or a lot of.
In Indra’s story also, I guess that he was given the tattoos on his body to show that he is in the register of sex offenders. Indian literature gives details about giving tattoos to criminals. In all the stories of the olden days they say ‘ the person was taken on a donkey after impressing his body with black dots and red dots’. This shows that such a tattooing custom was prevalent in the olden days. Indra might have got such tattoos after the Ahalya incident. At one stage it was removed after Indra apologising publicly in temples.
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IF WE GO BY LANGUAGE SPEAKERS, TAMILS ARE THE BEST AMONG ANCIENT HINDUS. 2000 YEAR OLD SANGAM TAMIL LITERATURE REFERS TO INDRA’S AMRIT IN AT LEAST 40 PLACES. OLDEST BOOK TOLKAAPPIAM SAYS INDRA AND VARUNA ARE GODS OF THE TAMILS. ONE PANDYA KING WHO DIED IN SEA EXPEDITION ON HIS WAY TO SOUTH EAST ASIA, SAID THAT TAMILS WON’T EAT ALONE EVEN IF INDRA’S AMRUTHA IS GIVEN TO THEM. THEY WILL ALWAYS SHARE IT (PURANANURU VERSE 182 BY PANDYA KING ILAM PERU VAZUTHI). TAMILS ARE THOROUGH WITH HINDU SCRIPTURES!
Apart from Purananuru, the oldest part of Sangam Corpus, there is an interesting anecdote in Paripaatal, one of the 18 books of Sangam Literature. A village lass was looking at a painting in a temple near Madurai. She was wondering why a cat was running away from an Ashram of a seer. Immediately her husband who is also from the village, says that was Indra who is running like a cat after molesting Ahalya, wife the great saint Gautama. This incident and the painting show that even in the countryside people were thorough with Hindu Puranas 2000 years ago!
There is another incident in Ahananuru, one of the 18 Sangam Books, where Krishna helps the naked girls to dress themselves because Krishna’s brother was walking towards the river. Actually Krishna took away the ladies’ dress and hung them in the tree as part of his fun and frolics with the cowherdesses . When they begged him seeing Baladeva at a distance, Krishna lowered the tree and the beauties got their clothes.
Tamils never knew River Indus (Sindhu), but they praised Ganga and Himalayas in several places. They called all the pure women as Arundhati, Vasistha’s wife. Her name is referred to in many places in Sangam and post Sangam works.
Unknown Ramayana episodes are in Sangam Tamil literature. They are not in any of the Ramayans we knew such as Valmiki, Kamban, Tulsidas. That is why I call Tamils re best Hindus in India who are talking about many Puranic anecdotes that are not found anywhere else.
Coming back to Indra , we have common Tamil names like Rajedran Mahendran, Upendran, Surendran.
RAJENDRA CHOZA
MAHENDRA VARMAN
Among feminine names we have Indraa for Indraani, Amrutha etc.
Tamils didn’t stop naming their daughters Amrutha; they went far ahead to name their daily food as Amrutham:
Brahmins sprinkle water on the food served and worship it as Amruta.
Vaishnavite brahmins named all their food items Amrutha
Saathamuthu -= Rasa Amrutha (Tomato soup or Tamarind soup)
Kariayamuthu – Vegetable Curry Amuthu
Thirukkan amuthu= Payasa Amrutha
Sangam Tamils used four different spellings for the word Amrit in Sanskrit. That shows the word is borrowed from Sanskrit.
Indra was praised in Tirukkural couplet 25. But the famous commentator Parimel Azakar misunderstood it as a criticism due to the Ahalya molestation. But Buddha praised Indra for his purity and modesty in Dhammapada. Fortunately one commentator followed Buddha in praising Indra as a person who has control over his senses.
Since the great Pandya king who died in sea says Indra’s Amrutha, the whole Tamil world knew about the Samudra Marthan episode which is confirmed by Purananuru verse where Shiva was parised as one who has blue thrt because of the poison which he swallowed to save Asuras and Suras/devas.
In short Tamils were well versed in Hindu mythology. Valluvar refers to Vamana Avatara, Yama, Leela Vinodha Krishna (Pal Maya Kalvan). Lakshmi is referred more than any other goddess.
Last but not the least, no ancient Tamil works exist without Sanskrit words. If anyone removes or deletes the Sanskrit words from 18 Sangam Tamil books, it would look like a terribly injured soldier. And the wonder of wonders is SANGAM is a Sanskrit word! Tolkaappiar says no Tamil word can begin with letter ‘SA’. True to his instruction, Tamils never used ‘SA’ words in 27,000 plus lines of Sangam books except in a few places. And those are Sanskrit ‘Sa’ words. So Tamils depend upon Sanskrit SANGAM even to boast about their own literature!! Sangam is very often used by Panini 2700 years ago in his grammar book.
Long Live Tamils!
Please see the Tamil attachments where Amrit and Indra are referred to directly; in other places they refer to them with different words:–
Indra or Surya, Wheel God in Indus ValleyWheel God Jupiter in Europe
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Amazing new information has come out of Rig Veda linking Sun- Indra- Taranis- Jupiter-Zeus- Celtic Wheel God
One more proof that shows Sarasvati/Indus valley civilization is closer to Celtic and Vedic civilization than any other civilization.
Magazines from Scientific American to unknown local news papers have already published the similarities between the most famous Pasupati/Shiva seal image of Sarasvati-Indus Valley civilization and the Horned God on Celtic objects. (See my links for pictures)
I wrote two articles connecting the Indus Figure on elephant with a wheel on top to Taranis-Thor in Celtic and other cultures. tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com
Now there is an unknown story in the Rig Veda about Indra stealing the wheel from Suurya, the Sun God which can be linked to Roman, Greek and Celtic Gods.
These two pictures of Celtic Pasupati and Celtic Wheel God are pushing Indus civilization towards the Vedic Hindu Civilization.
HERE IS THE NEW, UNKNOWN STORY FROM RV
Rig Veda gives a story about INDRA STEALING THE WHEEL OF SUN GOD ‘SUURYA’.
No one has explained it satisfactorily except giving its verbatim translation and some hypothesis. tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com
1.Rishi Vamadeva Gautama praises Indra in RV 4-30-4
“When for the sake of those oppressed , and Kutsa as he battled , you stole away the Sun’s car wheel”
(It is about the war between the angels and demons- Deva Asura Yuddha)
In another hymn Rig Veda 1-175-4, Rishi Agastya says
“Empowered by your own might , O Sage, you stole Suurya’s Chariot Wheel”
(Suurya – Sun God in Vedas).
In 10-43-5 , Rishi Krishna Angirasa praises Indra
“As in the game a gambler piles his winnings, so Maghavan sweeping all together, gained the Sun
This mighty deed of yours, none other could achieve, none Maghavan, before you none in recent time”
(Maghavan means very generous; another name of Indra)
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Surya from Bath, Britain
Western Explanations
Above three hymns refer to an anecdote which is not explained by anyone properly. Western commentators make a passing reference saying it may be a solar eclipse or a weather phenomenon. Hindu Puranas did not say anything about it. tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com
Griffith says on RV 4-30-4
‘Stolest away the Sun’s car-wheel’
An eclipse of the Sun, perhaps, is intended; or the meaning may be merely that the Sun’s course was stayed, as in stanza 3.
Griffith says on RV 1-175-4
‘Thou stolest Surya’s chariot wheel’-
Indra is said to have taken the wheel of the chariot of the Sun and to have cast it like a quoit against the demon of drought.
‘Kutsa’
The seer mentioned in the preceding hymn; Indra defended him against Susna, or protected mankind from drought; see 1-151-6
On 10-43-5, Griffith comments
‘Gained the sun’-
Conquers him by taking away the moisture, that is water that he has absorbed- Sayanatamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com
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Strabo (Greek Geographer 63 BCE – 27 CE)
It looks like Griffith was also not sure about this ‘Surya Wheel Theft’ episode. It may be a Solar Eclipse or a weather phenomenon.
Strabo says that Indians are worshipping Jupiter Pluvinus, no doubt meaning Indra, and he has also been compared to Jupiter Tonana. So the scholarly world knows that Jupiter of Rome is Indra of Rig Veda. He is portrayed as God of Sky, God of Thunder. He is again compared with Zeus of Greece.
Indra, Jupiter and Zeus are considered supreme Gods in their own countries.
Alfred Hillebrandt (German Indologist 1853-1927) says
Indra must have been a Sun God who melts the frost on approach of spring; seers praise him as the slayer of Vritra (demon of drought). In the Brahmanas , the mountains that are split open by Indra are explained as clouds . The description fits much better the letting loose of the streams after being imprisoned by frost. tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com
A lot of seals with Swastika emblem are discovered in Indus- Sarasvati basin. We find Swastika images Europe as well. Western scholars interpreted Swastikaa is Sun. Until this day Hindus worship Swastika as an auspicious symbol, We find it on wedding invitations, Walls in the shops, temples and Jain statues.
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Celtic Connection
Miranda Green says in her book ‘THE SUN GODS OF ANCIENT EUROPE’ (Year 1991)
“When the Romans colonised the Celtic territories of Gaul, Britain and the Rhineland , there grew a hybrid , Romano- Celtic culture which had a profound effect upon religious expression in western Europe.
“Observation of the entire spectrum of Celtic Sun images and symbols raises several points of interest. He may appear on public monuments which signify corporate worship. On such occasions, the deity may be accompanied by his Greco – Roman panoply of sceptre, eagle and thunderbolt . In some places Jupiter appear with horns. Bronze statue of Wheel God with the inscription of Jupiter is found (Landouzy -la- ville, Aisne). Bronze statue of wheel god with thunderbolt and lightning flashes is found in Le Chatelet, Haute Marne.
“The role of the solar symbol itself is interesting; the wheel may simply accompany the celestial god, as one of his attributes or it may possess a more active role as a protective shield, on the images of the warrior sun god .
“In some places swastika or wheel is shown. Wheel and swastika may be mutually replaceable . tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com
“ In the Celtic world the Greek Zeus or Roman Jupiter became identified with or linked to celestial powers which were already venerated in pre- Roman Celtic lands”.
The above selections are enough from the 168 page book of Miranda Green to show that Zeus- Jupiter, Celtic Wheel God are one and the same or closely linked.
Europeans were already worshipping Sun and one replaced the other or merged in course of time.
Wheel god is also identified as Celtic Taranis
Indra’s Vajra Ayudha from Mongolia
MY DISCOVERY
Scholars around the world have already discovered and debated over these connections. My discovery is that INDRA IS THE WHEEL GOD and INDRA IS ONE WHO STOLE THE WHEEL OF SUN CHARIOT as we find in the Rig Veda.
Earlier I interpreted the Indus figure of ‘one who stands on elephant with a wheel on his head’ as Indra on his elephant Vahana Iravata with Cakra (wheel) to show that he is a Chakravarthi (Emperor). Indra’s other name is Cakra (wheel). Throughout Buddhist literature he is called Cakka (corruption of Chakra). tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com
Now my interpretation is HE IS INDRA WHO STOLE THE WHEEL OF CHARIOT OF THE SUN as we see in three Rig Vedic hymns.
I can conclude Indra = Sun God = Zeus= Jupiter = Celtic Wheel God.
Another interesting titbit is Jupiter (European Indra) is shown with Eagle. Vedic scriptures also identify Indra with Eagle (Suparna, Syena). The famous Sibi story found in Mahabharata, Buddhist Jataka tales and Sangam Tamil ‘Pura Nanuru’ verses also show Indra came in the form of an Eagle and Agni came in the form of a Pigeon.
Books used —
The Rig Veda- Griffith’s Translation
A Classical Dictionary of Hindu Mythology , John Dowson
The Sun Gods of Ancient Europe by Miranda Green (1991)
Vedic Hymns by Edward J Thomas, 1923
Sun Goddess- Myth Legend and History , Sheena Mc Grath, (1997)
Pasupati from Gundestrup, Denmark
My Old articles on Indus- Sarasvati River Civilization-
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Hundreds of Sanskrit words found in the RIG VEDA , the oldest book in the world, are used by us today. They are found in 2000 year old Sangam Tamil literature and later Indian languages. Nemi which means Wheel is found in the . Rig Veda and Sangam Tamil literature. But this word has extended meaning , mainly the God who holds Sudarsana Chakra, ie.Vishnu/Krishna. It is also found in Sangam Tamil literature.
It has other meanings such as Chakra/Indra, Varuna, Sun, sea, wheel of a Chariot, Chakravarti/emperor, chariot etc.
Indus-Sarasvati Civilization has many symbols in the shape of a wheel. So it is interesting to study the symbol. It may mean any one of the above meanings or the sound, if we believe the Indus language is phonetic. Many scholars believe it is logo-syllabic and not phonetic.
I have already written one article many years ago saying that the elephant with a person standing on it with wheel symbol is Indra. Indra’s name is Wheel/chakra and his Vahana is Airvavatha elephant.
Let me give the Vedic and Tamil references of NEMI first:-
Rig Veda 1-32-15; 1-141-9; 2-5-3; 5-13-6; 7-32-20; 8-46-23; 8-75-5 and many other places in later Vedic literature.
Linking Chakra/wheel with the Chakravarti/emperor is a unique Hindu concept. The Vedic concept is found in later Tamil Sangam poems. There’ Aazi’ is used for chakra. Strange coincidence is Tamil ‘Aazi ‘and Sanskrit ‘Chakra’ mean sea as well. If we continue our research we may find more meanings. In the oldest part of the Vedas, Nemi meant wheel, particularly of Ratha/ Chariot.
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Nemi is found in the following places in Sangam Tamil literature:–
In Purananuru verse 58- Nemiyon refers to the holder of the wheel -Lord Krishna. In Kalitokai, Nemiyaan refers to Vishnu with the wheel.
In short NEMI is connected with Vishnu or Emperor. Thus it is interesting to connect Indus- Sarasvati civilisation with Nemi. Among the ancient civilisations all foreign encyclopedias and history books written by the British, which is followed in Indian educational institutions until today, India is the only country that has no kings for 2000 years! They wrote that we had kings only from the period of Buddha. They ignored all the kings mentioned in Vedic literature and Hindu Puranas. It is an urgent task to rewrite our history.
Neminatha -Indus connection
Some years ago we read that the submarine archaeologists have discovered the Dwaraka port that was devoured by the sea long ago. Historians dated it around Indus Sarasvati Riverbed civilization period. Hindu Puranas say that the city Dwaraka went under the sea after the demise of Lord Krishna around 3100 BCE. We had very well developed transport facilities then because Krishna shuttled between Dwaraka and Mathura. They were 700 miles apart. More over we read about Krishna’s Naval Expeditions in the Puranas. Along with this we read about Krishna’s cousin and the 22nd Tithankara Neminatha lived in the same city. His father’s name Samudravijaya shows that he was a sea merchant like the Ma Nayaka of Tamil epic Silappadikaram. Looking with this background we should study Jain literature, particularly the activities of Neminatha and his family in sea side port. Neminatha’s brother was called Rathanemi (Chariot wheel).
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HOW DID ANCIENT HINDUS FIND SUBMARINE MOUNTAINS?
Two amazing discoveries of ancient Hindus show that they were the first travellers to America and other islands. Throughout Hindu literature we come across two Sanskrit words : Badavagni or Vadavagni (in Tamil Vada Mukha Agni) and the Chakravala Giri.
Badavagni is described as the sub marine fire in the shape of a horse. It sucks all the river waters that poured down into the oceans and so the oceans are within their bounds. Modern science show that there are under water volcanoes which are ever active. We find such ever burning, never stopping volcanoes in Hawaii (Pacific ocean) and other places. If Hindus were not ancient travellers, they would not have found them.
The second reference to Chakravala Giri, roughly translated, Circular Mountain chain, is also amazing. Hindu scriptures such as Valmiki Ramayana and Puranas very often mention it. This circular mountain is very new to western oceanographers. Only when they invented scubas and submarines they saw it and reported it. But Hindu scriptures in Sanskrit are talking about it for thousands of years. Unless they are adventurous and itinerant travellers, they would not have found them. Since these things are used as common place similes, even a layman has got some information about it.
Some books describe it a mountain chain encircling the earth which has ‘light inside but darkness outsid’e. We such things in the ocean in the form of volcanoes. So they are underwater structures.
What is the information available in science books?
Oceanographers have mapped more than 10,000 seamounts. Seamounts are mountains under the ocean. They are more in Pacific Ocean. In some places, they grow over the surface and form islands. They are found in Pacific, Indian and Atlantic oceans. Unless ancient Hindus travelled to all these oceans they couldn’t have talked about circular mountains—Chakra vala – around the oceans.
I quote below a few verses from 1000 year old Kamba Ramayana and 1200 year old Pazamozi in Tamil. They use the Sanskrit words and so they are taken from earlier Sanskrit books:-
It swallowed wholesale elephants, chariots, horses and all;
Then drank up the seven seas with their fish;
Then swallowed the clouds with their thunder,
Dharma herself, O wonder! was frightened
That is the wrath might not spare even her!
Some it dashed against Chakravala;
Some it rubbed against the outer wall;
Some it flung over the seven hills and killed;
some it disposed of with huge hands
in the darkness encircling eight directions
–Chapter “The slaying of Hiranyakasipu’, Yuddha Kanda of Kamba Ramayana
In the Aranya Kanda, Kamban compared the gigantic hands of demon Kabandha, that surrounded Rama and Lakshmana to Chakravala that encircles the earth and the oceans.
In Pazamoli, a post Sangam didactic work with 400 Tamil proverbs the poet says,
Even the Chakravala, the mountains encircling the earth, may be eroded; but the harsh words told by one would never disappear (forgotten); so one must never do acts that which spoils one.
Passing remarks like these throughout Tamil and Sanskrit literature point out to the mid ocean ridges.
Mid ocean ridges are the underwater mountain chain. They join and form the longest mountain chain on earth extending to 44,000 miles. All these things came to light in the past 100 years or so. But Hindus wrote about such a system and they used it as a common place simile. Every ancient literate Hindu knew about it.
Monier Williams Sanskrit dictionary gives the following meaning to Chakravala:
A mythical range of mountains encircling the orb of the earth and being the limit of light and darkness.
Now we know it is not mythical, but real.
Chakravalam is found in the Sanskrit thesaurus Amarakosa. Kalidasa in Raghuvamsa (13-7) says that oceans gave refuge to the mountains when Indra cut down he wings of the flying mountains. This is another reference to geological science. Millions of years ago big meteorites were falling on earth and then stopped. This is attributed to Indra in the scriptures. Even today millions of meteorites fall into earth but most of them are burnt in the atmosphere. Very rarely we see such ‘flying mountains’; one such big meteorite destroyed the Dinosaurs on earth six million years ago.
A lot of science materials come to light as and when science discovers something new. I have already written elsewhere about the future predictions of Hindus. We are not boasting after something new is discovered. I have written about what is going to be discovered.
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HINDU GODS IN THAILAND-2
Sculptures of Vedic Gods Indra, Varuna, Yama and Kubera are found in many temples in Thailand. They are sculpted on the panels, gable and bas reliefs. Indra is more prominent than other gods. In some places he is portrayed with three headed Airavata, his elephant vehicle. In other places he is riding Airavata with one head. Varuna is sculpted with three Hamsas/swans. In India his vehicle was Makara (Crocodile or fish). Yam is riding his vehicle buffalo. It is very rare to see Kubera in India in temples. In Thailand we see him with goddess.
Along with the trinities Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva we see the Vedic Gods. But there is no temple for them. Kala, a strange figure is also found in Thai temples. Let us look at some beautiful sculptures of those Vedic Gods.
Indra
Indra with mysterious Kala with a big mouth
Indra with three headed Airavata
Varuna with three swans
Kubera with goddess of wealth
Locations
Varuna: Prasat Phimai, 12th Century
Kubera: Temple at Mo Ee Daeng
Yama:Prasat Phnom Rung
Indra: Prasat Narai Jaeng Waeng, Prasat muang khaek, Khao Phra Viharn and many more places
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SRI UMAPADA SEN OF CALCUTTA HAS ESTABLISHED THE DATE OF RIG VEDA AROUND 3000 BCE IN HIS BOOK THE RIGVEDIC ERA. HE SUPPORTS THE VIEW OF A. LUDWIG WHO ALSO APPRECIATED THE VEDIC HINDUS’ AMAZING KNOLEDGE ABOUT HEAVENLY BODIES.
Here is a summary of Umapada Sen’s article (part of his book):
Solar eclipses narrated in the Veda cannot be overlooked. In passage 10-138-4 of the Rig Veda, it is said Indra ‘maseva suryo vasu puryam adade’. this means it was the sun that was eclipsed, for the words ‘ vi suryo Madhya amuchat rathevam divah’ in the preceding verse point clearly to a solar eclipse.
Ludwig’s observation about the attitude of some persons always ready to defame the Veda and the Vedic Indians is worth noticing. He says, “such narrations in other texts ( he quotes other texts) do not appear doubtful, but such expressions when found in the Rig Veda are quite doubtful and many critics regard it as extremely doubtful. There should be no doubt any further, by all events it is not lunar but solar eclipse”.
“Compare RV 4-28-2. There Indra is said to have eclipsed the sun (somena, induna, by the moon). Prof. Willibrandt in his book on Vedic mythology has elaborately and extensively demonstrated that there is never any reason for disbelieving that Soma was Chandramas/Moon.
“The eclipse of ‘svarvanu’ has no relation with the clouds. Svarvanu, etymologically taken designates him whose light is the sun or sun’s. This is no other than the moon. We can accurately frame the translation of RV 5-40-6 …….”
In the mantra it is said that “Thou, Oh Indra, hadst hurled down by means f svarvanu’s witcheries spreading down from heaven, Atri by means of the fourth brahma has found out the hidden sun”.
Atri had to utter four Rik verses and by that time the eclipse subsided. This was the time taken by total solar eclipse!
The ‘Svarvanu after 3000 years turned out to be Rahu in the Vishnu Purana after it had lost the etymological meaning. (For the laymen, they gave a story of snake devouring moon or sun and in course of the time the original view forgotten)
Ludwig further gives a detailed account of Hindu tradition and praises the accuracy of observations.
Attempts for determining the date of the Rig Veda through astronomy by Ludwig, Jacobi and B G Tilak amply proved their intimate acquaintance with the Vedic literature.
Antares (star Jyeshta or Kettai in Tamil) or Indra was called Jyeshtagni meaning one who commences the New Year (must be sidereal in this case).
Ludwig says, “Vedic priests were aware of moon’s borrowing light from the sun. That the ancient Hindus had a correct notion of the orbits of sun and moon, that their ability to account for the phenomenon of eclipses is absolutely out of doubt and the part assigned to Indra is interesting in a double point of view, and be it noted here that ADRI in the Veda often stands for a node that hurts the weaker Soma (moon) when he passes it, and not always for a stone to pierce Soma plants.”
Ludwig’s vivid narrations of the solar eclipses, wherein times without number he mentions of Indra’s peculiar function, must be carefully noted. Vedic narrations invariably connect Indra with the eclipses. In RV 10-138-4, Indra forces sun to unyoke the horses. It simply means sun was forced to lose his rays when it was just over or near Antares (star). The entire hymn 5-40 describes the eclipse in greater details. It, therefore, appears that two solar eclipses, of which one was definitely total, took place during the Vedic period on dates very near autumnal equinoxes that were visible from Indian latitude 28-32 N and longitude 68-74 E of Greenwich, so as to give an impression to the onlookers that Indra was competent to cause solar eclipses. (Indra= star Antares)
Umapada Sen believes the word Suhanta for thunder in 7-30-2 was a comet. He says that the 27 stars, five planets, sun and moon were the Rig Vedic Devas.
Antares and Sun
The scanning of the Rig Vedic revelations does reveal to us that Indra (star Antares) was privileged to enjoy the close company of the sun and as such the date when the particular star Antares was enjoying autumnal equinoxes bears the all-important connection with the Rig Vedic period.
When Umapada sen approached Indian observatories to find out the equinox position of Antares, and they were not helpful. But Greenwich and Hamburg observatories have promptly responded with requisite assistance and Dr Brian G Marsden of Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, USA has very kindly favoured him by undertaking the desired calculations.
Dr Marsden writes to say, “The date when a. Scorpi (Antares) was at ecliptic longitude 180 degree is around 2990 BCE”. The Vedic hymns were composed in earlier periods do reveal that around 3000 BCE, Indra (star Antares) had actually clutched on the thunder (comet) that impressed the Vedic singers as to the massive stature of his weapon.
The date of the solar eclipse near about the autumnal equinox visible from 30 degee N Indian latitude calculated by expert astronomers is between 3000 BCE and 2800 BCE.
Umapada sen concludes the article with a tribute to the Vedic seers, “The Rig Veda is not a code of ethics, a book of morals, a bunch of liturgical exhortations, a bundle of idle speculations, a product of utter frustration or a text with meaningless jargons. It is a collection of sincere invocations, the spontaneous out pouring of the heart of the earliest poets, ovations to the Devas, the stellar gods, wherein the celebrations by and by engulf a vast sphere of sublime religious thought and a true record of intellectual growth and material progress attained by a group of human souls in a corner of the earth well before 3000 BCE.”
My comments
It is interesting to see that Vedic poets used a particular style of language or symbolism to express facts. The Brahmanas and the Vedas say that the gods like mysterious language (RV 4-3-16). Though our sees calculated the time of eclipses scientifically and accurately, they told the laymen some interesting stories about the snake Rahu devouring moon or sun to describe the eclipse. Here Atri utters four verses or mantras and the hidden sun came out, says the Vedic hymn. I think that is the time taken for the total eclipse of the sun.
Even today we are thrilled to read about the total eclipse of the sun in newspapers. My London neighbour spent 1000 pounds to see the solar eclipse in America. So even when Vedic Hindus knew what is an eclipse Atri might have told them “wait till I finish the four mantras and you will see the sun out. Like our astronomers tell us that the sun will be in full eclipse between this minute and this minute, Atri might have told his disciples, that before I finish the fourth mantra the sun will be out. If a solar eclipse is an astronomical wonder for us today, it would, definitely, have been a wonder for a Vedic Hindu 5000 years ago.
The second point I would like to make is that Vedic language is very difficult. Only those who are well versed in Astronomy can figure out the meaning of certain mantras. Sometime ago I posted Ornithologist K N Dave’s view of a mantra where in seven sisters meant actually birds. But even Sayana who lived just 600 years ago could not give the correct meaning. Because Dave was an ornithologist, he could understand what our seers said. Yaska who lived at least 2800 years before our time could not understand hundreds of words. That shows Vedas were very ancient, more ancient than we thought until today. Now our job is to reinterpret all the mantras with a panel of experts from every walk of life or profession and present both Sayana’s and the new interpretations. We must discard all foreigners’ writings.
Now that we know the Vedic civilization existed before Indus Valley civilization through scientific research of Sarasvati river and through the astronomical research, we must rewrite Indian history ASAP.
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Brahmana literature in prose which followed the poems in Vedas have many mysteries like the Vedas. A lot of research—rather than research—intuition of great saints will help us to understand the mysteries.
Here are some curious passages from the Satapata Brahmana:
“There are six doors to Brahma(n), viz. Agni, Vayu, the Waters, the Moon, Lightning (Indra) and the Sun. He who sacrifices with a burnt offering arrives by Agni, as the door to Brahma; and having so arrived, he attains to a union with Brahma and abides in the same sphere with him.
“When he performs the Viasvadeva offerings, then he becomes Agni and attains union with Agni and to co-existence in his world…. and when he performs the Sakha-medha offerings, then he becomes Indra and attains to union with Indra and to co-existence in his world – Satapata Brahmana 2-6-4-8
A man who reads the Vedas in a particular manner is “freed from dying again and attains to a sameness of nature with Brahma. Even if he cannot recite with much power, let him read one sentence relating to the gods”– Satapata Brahmana 9-5-6-9
“The man who knows this, that the sun never sets, enjoys union and sameness of nature with him and abides in the same sphere—Aitareya Brahmana3-4-4
DOOR TO HEAVEN
In the Sat.Brah(6-6-2-4), it is said that the door of heaven (Swarga Loka) is situated in the north-eastern regions; while by that which the heaven of the Fathers is entered lies to the south-east (13-8-1-5).
In a legend in Sat.Brah (11-6-1-6), it is related that Bhrigu, son of Varuna, visited, by his father’s command, the four points of the compass, where he saw men being cut into piece and eaten by other men, who when questioned by Bhrigu, declared they were revenging on their victims the treatment which they had received at their hands in the other world (earth). These victims are allegorically explained in the Brahmana as representing the trees, animals, plants and waters employed in sacrifice.
The idea of rebirth or transmigration of soul is in our Upanishads and Brahmanas.
“The spring, assuredly comes to life again out of the winter, for out of the one the other is born again; therefore he who knows this is indeed born again in the world -1-5-3-14
The Mahabharata gives the stories of previous births of several individuals. The Puranas are all replete with such stories. The idea of re-incrnation is one which lives deep in the Hindu mind. Hindu philosophers have held this doctrine for ages past, and the chief object which the Hindu shastras have in view is, is to obtain emancipation from the series of Re incarnations which every soul by its actions, is heir to . Every Hindu believes in the doctrine and our females are not behind in their beliefs.
According to a very ancient conception, the soul ascends to the abodes of the blessedon the wings of the air, of the wind, having itself changd into an aerial from.
“Whoever departs from this world, knowing this, goes with his voice to fire (Agni), with his eye to the Sun (Aditya), with his mind (manas) to the moon (Soma) with his ear to the regions, with his breath (prana) to the wind (Vayu). Having attained the nature of these and become any one of these deities that he desires, he rests (10-3-3-8)
When the voice of the departed soul goes to fire, his breath to the wind, his eye to the sun, his mind to the moon, his hearing to the regions, his body to the earth, his soul to the ether, the hairs of his head to the trees, his blood and his seminal fluid to the waters — Where then is the spirit?(15-6-2-13)
The rays of him who shines (the Sun) are the pious. The ligt which is above is Prajapati or the heavenly world (1-9-3-10)
The stars are the lights of the practisers of holy acts who go to heaven (6-5-4-8)
The earth is macrocosm and our body is microcosm is developed from this. Greeks copied it from us.
The stars are the lights of the holy people is in Vana Parva of Mahabharata as well.
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The God Indra, travelling one day through a forest, came upon a penitent who, during long terms of meditation and self-castigation, had almost changed himself into a tree stump.
(Penitent = a person who repents for his/her sins)
How long must I yet practise that I may be free, he asked the God SADLY.
Ten more years, said Indra.
Ten whole years? Sighed the sage, and for this complaint, was at once precipitated into hell.
Wandering on Indra came upon another penitent. This one was of slight spirituality and hoped to attain salvation by dancing around a tree. He asked the God the same question; but he asked them CHEERFULLY, in the midst of his dancing.
It will take you a hundred thousand years, said Indra smiling.
The foolish penitent gave a skip and hop
Only hundred thousand years!
And no sooner had the shout of joy left his lips than he rocketed up to heaven, a liberated soul.
Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita (6-5)
“Let a man lift himself by himself; let him not degrade himself; for the Self (Atma) alone is the friend of the self and the Self alone is the enemy of the self.”
Tamil and Vedas 
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