Post No.7808

Date uploaded in London – 10 April 2020   

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Milk is white.

But not all that is white is milk ( a Sutra in Logic)

And my new Sutra/formula is

Greeks are Yavanas.

But not all Yavanas are Greeks!

 A new book has come out on ‘Yonas and Yavanas’. (Helsinki, 2015). After reading it I have conclude that there are many types of Yavanas. At least four types- Indian Yavanas, Roman Yavanas, Greek Yavanas and Muslim Yavanas.

Ancient Indian Yavanas have nothing to do with Greece or Rome. Hari Vamsa and Bhgavatha Purana talk about a Black Yavana who was defeated by Lord Krishna. That  Kala Yavana (black yavana) was in the middle of India, and not in north west India of India where we had real Greeks ruling for a few centuries following Alexander’s death.

Foreigners believed that all Yavanas mentioned in Sanskrit and Tamil literature were Greeks.

Sangam Tamil literature has at least six Yavana references. All of them refer to Italians, i.e. Romans.

Post Sangam Tamil epics Silappadikaram and Manimegalai refer to another six Yavanas. They are mixed.

Dr R Nagaswamy, in his book Roman Karur, show the Tamil references are about the Yavanas of Rome.

Thousands and thousands of Roman coins are discovered in India, particularly Tamil Nadu. The cross references in Roman works proved two things:-

1.Age of Sangam Tamil Literature- first three centuries of Common Era (CE).

2.The word ‘Yavana’ in Sangam literature is about Romans (Italians and not Greeks) and the trade between India and Roman Empire. tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com


Surprise! Surprise! Yavanas are Shudras! Hindus!

But more important references are coming from Mahabharata and Ramayana; foreigners reject them or ignore them because they are not their cup of tea.

There are at least 45 references about Yavanas in Mahabharata spreading over 13 out of 18 Parvams.

There are at least five references in Ramayana spreading over two Cantos.

Kala Yavana slain by Lord Krishna is in Hari Vamsa, appendix of Maha Bharata, and Bhagavata Purana.

How come that we have so many references in these Hindu scriptures?  Panini, who lived 2700 years ago, also refer to Yavanas. He lived 400 or 500 years before Alexander’s invasion.

All the above references have nothing to do with Greeks or Romans.

The fact of the matter is Yavanas originated in India and they slowly moved to Ionia. And Ionia is not Greece, it is a small part of Greece inside Turkey!

Foreigners who translated Sanskrit scriptures equated the word Yavanas with Ionians. This blunder led to utter confusion and great mis interpretation.

What is the proof? tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com

Yavanas are shudras who violated the Vedic code according to Hindu epics.

They are Vedic people who migrated towards west.

Visvamitra, while still a king, tries to take the sage Vasistha’s divine cow  Kamadhenu and then what happened is in Adi Parva of Mahabharata:–

“From her (the cow’s) arse she created the Pahlavas; The Sabharas and Sakas from her dung;

From her urine she created Yavanas, as she well high swooned with rage.

“From her foam she brought forth the Pundras, Kiratas, Dravidas, Simhalas, Barbaras, Daradas and Mlechas. And when  she had brought forth the manifold hosts of barbarians/mlechas clad in their manifold armour , brandishing arms, she scattered with her furious troops that large enemy forces before Visvamitra’s eyes”.

–Adi parva 165-35, Mahabharata.

There are two beautiful thoughts running here, even if you think that it is later interpolation:-

  1. The entire communities, covering the whole of Asia and Europe are from one source- that is Kamadhenu.
  2. Secondly, they are all from Divine Cow; Cow’s arse is worshipped by Hindus every day. Men are not not supposed to show their buttock to Gods or Saints. They will take backward steps and then turn in temples and Mutts. And all mentioned here as urine, cow dung etc are eaten by Hindus as ‘Go mayam’ to purify themselves before every holy ceremony, but in very small quantities.

So we can interpret them as divine people. Vasudaiva Kudumbakam- entire humanity is one family – is a Hindu concept.

And in second Parvam/book of Mahabharata,

“King Kamala of Kamboja, and the mighty Kampana, who himself continued to terrify the Yavanas, as the thunderbolt wielder (Indra) terrified Kalakeya asuras, … Sumanas, king of Kiratas, Canura, over lord of the Yavanas, Devavrata, Bhoja, Bhimaratha…..”


Note all the names are in Sanskrit.  Later Mura and Naraka are given as Yavana Kings’ names.

I am not going to reproduce all the 45  references here. It can be summarised as:-

Foreigners who translated Mahabharata interpreted ‘Yavana’ as Greeks and Mlechas as ‘barbarians’. In Tamil these people couldn’t do that damage because of cross references in Roman works. For instance Van Butinen translated Bhagadatta from Pragjyotisa (Assam) came with Greeks (yavanas) to see Yudhisthira. How can there be Greeks in Assam?

Even in Parvam 5, 6 we read “ the Yavanas marched towards Krukshetra and formed part of Kaurava army” etc. tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com

Ramayana also talks about the creation of Yavana in the same way, ‘from Kamadhenu, the Divine Cow’.

‘Fallen Kshatrias’

‘The Puranic story of the of the origin of Yavanas et al. as fallen Kshatrias, explained as a punishment conferred upon them by Sagara after his victory and a vengeance for his father’ is found in Hari vamsa.

Many of them are 125 or 150 year old translations. The foreign Indologists thought that the ‘Greeks occupied and civilized the entire world’.

pictures are from Dr R Nagaswamy’s book Roman Karur.

My comments

Let me summarise it:–

1.The Yavana references are wrongly translated as Greeks .

2.Yavanas are a clan originated in North West India and then migrated to various places including Ionia. And Ionia was a tiny part of western coast of Turkey.

3.Hindu Shudra (fallen kshatrias) Yavanas occupied Turkey and Greece around 800 BCE.

4.Whoever looked like them from Europe also got the name ‘Yavanas’ slowly, which is confirmed by Sangam Tamil literature. tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com

5.After the Muslim invasion of India in the eighth century all horse traders were called Yavanas. Later Muslim traders were called ‘Yonas’.

6.The Sanskrit and Tamil references to Yavana lamps, Yavana astrology, Yavana artchitects are not supported by neither Greek nor Roman works. They are from the Yavana clan of North Western India, They started moving westward and north westward under the Vedic people Turvavasu (part of Pancha Jannah of Rig Veda).

Probably some groups had specialised in astrology, construction work, air planes/flying machines in North West India.

Later Sanskrit literature and Tamil literature (Perunkatai) mentioned Yavana lamps, Yavana flying machines, Yavana astrology, Yavana architecture etc. We have no evidence for these things in ancient Greek or Roman writings.

7.Even Panini of 7th century BCE refers to ‘Yavanani’, feminine forms along with pure Hindu Sanskrit words Shivani, Bhavani, Varunani etc. tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com

Later commentator added Yavanani lipi (script) which is proved by Asoka inscriptions of third century BCE.

8.From fourth century BCE, before Alexander invasion, Yavana got mixed up with Greeks and others. We see those words in Persian inscriptions or writings from Darius and Cyrus periods.

Scope for research

How Vedic Turvavasu (ref.later Puranas) is connected with Yavana clan?

How Ionians of Turkey became synonymous with Greeks? tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com

How Tamils identified only Romans with Yavanas?

How Yavana became later ‘Yona’ synonymous with Arabic horse traders?

How come there was a black Yavana during Krishna’s time? Does it mean Yavanas are white skinned generally and there was one black person like Krishna?

Why early Yavanas have Sanskrit names?

Why there is no Greek astrology similar to Yavana astrology in Sanskrit?

Why the Greeks are not praising themselves as great architects of India or great constructors of flying machines or great astrologers? Does it show that all went to west from North West Indian Yavana regions? tamilandvedas.com, swamiindology.blogspot.com

Do the foreigners do ulta? Instead of saying from India to West they simply said West to India like fake Aryan Invasion theory?

No one has done any research in depth in these lines.

The present book ‘Yonas and Yavanas in Indian Literature’ by Klaus Karttunen, Finnish Oriental Society, Helsinki, 2015

and the book

Roman Karur by Dr R Nagaswamy, Brahad Prakashan, Madras, 1995

Will help future researchers.

tags – Yavanas, Yonas, Indian references, four types, Indian Yavanas, Greeks, Roman,


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