Did Arrian, Megasthanes and Pliny tell us a lie?

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Research paper written by London Swaminathan
Research article No.1429; Dated 22nd November 2014.

Who s Arrian?
Arrian was a Greek philosopher and historian. He was born in 92CE in Turkey and died in Athens in 175 CE.
Who is Pliny the Elder?
Pliny was a Roman philosopher and writer. He was born in 23 CE and died in 79 CE. Pliny the younger was related to him. Younger Pliny was born in 61 CE and died in 112 CE. He was a lawyer and magistrate of ancient Rome. He also wrote some books.

Who is Megasthenes?
Megasthenes was a Greek ambassador in the court of Chandra Guptas Maurya. He was born in 350 BCE and died in 290 BCE. He wrote a book called Indika which is partly available now.
All the above three scholars were well respected in their own fields. All the three placed India before their own countries. They din’t tell us lies.They believed in what they wrote and told us truth unlike our politically biased historians. They did not belong to pro Hindu BJP or atheistic Marxist parties or anti Hindu Dravidian political Parties of India. So no one can suspect them and they did not have any motives.
The wonder of wonders, the greatest wonder is, that no foreign traveller mentioned any Aryan — Dravidian Races or fights or invasions or migrations or conflicts in India!!

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Arrian and Pliny told that the Mahabharata kings of India were ruling around 6500 BCE! Megasthenes mentioned 138 kings between Krishna and Maurya Chandragupta. Ancient India had very little bloodshed for the thrones unlike other western countries. Sangam Tamil literature gives over fifty years of rule for many kings! Neduncheralathan ruled for 58 years in Kerala two thousand years ago. His son Chenguttuvan ruled for 55 years. Adukotpattu cheralathan ruled for 38 years.

Even if we give 35 years for a king, 138 kings would have ruled for 4830 years before Megasthenes.
((There may be some strange stories of gold digging ants called pippilika in Megasthenes’ writings, but that doesn’t mean all that was said by him was false. He just repeated what Herodotus wrote about India. For the Greeks and Romans anything about India was magic, miracles and mysteries. The Greeks and Romans placed Indian gods on par with their supreme gods)).

Pliny gave 6451 years for 154 kings before his time. Arrian quoted 6042 years for 153 kings at the same period. India is the only in the country in the world which did not include their own forefathers in the history books. All other counties in the world have rewritten their histories. The simple reason is that our history book was written by V A Smith. He was faithful to his own country and his Bible when he wrote such a history. We have to appreciate his patriotism. But the historians in India still believed him and retain the history written by a British.
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Pliny the Elder

Panini gave example for his sutras (grammar rules) ‘Eka vimsati Bharadwajam’ – 21st geberation in the line of Bharadwajas and ‘Tri panchasath Gauthamam’ – 53rd in the line of Gauthama Rishi –. This shows such enumeration was very common in seventh century BCE. Even if we give 30 years for a Rishi that will take us back to 1500 years before Panini. And these are popular examples in those days. Sangam Tamil poet Kabilar told a king that his forefather came 49 generations before him from Dwaraka (to Tamil Nadu) in the Purananuru verse 201. Even if we give 30 years for one generation that will take the Tamils back to 1500 BCE (Tamil Poet Kabila lived in the first century CE in Tamil Nadu).

If one person says something we may ignore it saying that it may be an exaggeration or ignorance on his part.

When Arrian, Pliny, Megasthenes, Panini, Kabilan and Vamsanu Charita in the Brihad Aranyaka Upanishad and all the 18 Puranas give concrete evidence with the names of kings, we must believe them and rewrite India history.

If we don’t do it India would not have any king before Buddha’s period! Leaving such a big blank will be ridiculous.
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Horses and Rhinos originated in India
All the major Indian newspapers have published a story about horses this morning. Scholars from the John Hopkins University (USA) studied the fossils at a coal mine in Maharashtra and concluded that Horses and Rhinos originated in India 54 millions of years ago. Because of the sanctity attached to horses and cows Indus valley people did not engrave cow (and horse) but only bull on the seals.
So the latest discovery show that the world was civilized by us following the Vedic command ‘Srnvanto Viswam Aryam’ ( Make the world a cultured place to live). In course of time, scholars will find iron was discovered in India before all metals or simultaneously with gold and silver. Our literature is very clear in saying that Shiva burnt three forts made up of Iron, Gold and Silver( Ihave argued elsewhere that the word ‘AYAS’ stands for all the metals like the Tamil word ‘Pon’ which is used for gold and four different metals until today!!)

So it is high time the Government of India forms a Hindu Science Association (HAS) to reinterpret the Vedas and an association for Rewriting Indian History (RIHA). Scholars from all fields must be accommodated in these associations. We may include the alternate views in our history books straight away along with the old British History. No one can object to it when you present both the sides. Let the future generations find out more by doing further research.

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Shrikant Talageri has shown, just in one chapter alone, at least ten mistakes of Griffith’s translation of the Rig Veda! But Griffith was honest enough to admit in every other page, “the meaning is uncertain, obscure, not clear, vague etc”. But yet our half baked Indian scholars quote those English translations and get Ph.D.s for their falsehoods! It is high time proper research is done in the Vedas. If East India Company was able to fund Max Muller can’t the present Indian Government fund the Vedicresearch?

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Megasthenes didn’t know Buddha!

Why did not Megasthanes write about Gautama Buddha when he wrote about Madurai Meenakshi 2300 years ago? Was Gautama Buddha was unknown figure during his times? Only Emperor Ashoka boosted The Buddha? (Fragments of Megasthanes’ book Indica are only available)

Do the Vedic Seers know Salt? Why did not Vedic seers mention salt when they gave the world ‘sugar’? (Please read my post THE SUGARCANE MYSTERY: Indus Valley and Ikshvaku Dynasty)

Why did not Marco Polo mention the Great Wall of China, Porcelain plates and drinking tea? He had not visited China at all? Did he write whatever he heard from other prisoners in Genoa prison? (Please read Frances Wood’s book-Did Marco Polo go to China?)

Why did not the great Tamil saint Manikka Vasagar mention Appar, Sambandhar and Sundarar in his works?

Why did not the Thevaram Greats mention Manikka vasagar, if he lived before them?

Why did not the Indus Valley people portray the holy cow anywhere when thousands of seals have the bull? Don’t they know  cows!!!!

Why was Rig Veda silent about Banyan trees? Don’t they know Banyan trees?

Why did not the world’s greatest grammarian Panini mention South India? There were no people in the South at his times! Or was he that ignorant?

Tamils don’t know the word ‘SHIVA’ until the seventh century! Tamils don’t know about ‘Lord Ganesh’ until seventh century! Were they imported Gods?

2000 year old Sangam Tamil literature never knew Indus River or North West India. They praised holy Ganges and holy Himalayas sky high! How come scholars associate Tamils with the Indus? Is it bogus scholarship?

If Tamil or Sanskrit literature doesn’t say anything about urinating, can we write a thesis for Ph.D that Indians never urinated?

Absolute absurdity!!!!!

I can keep on quoting hundreds of such things from all the ancient works.

Scholars have been debating all these for years. I myself took several years to collect all the above details. For the past forty years I have been collecting interesting titbits like this from various books just to say “Negative Evidence is not enough to prove something”.

Salt pan in Kutch area of Guajarat

A lot of Ph.D.wallahs and Ph.D.vallhis jump to certain conclusions on negative evidence. Negative evidence is not enough to support a new theory. You need more proof in the form of secondary evidence. But a lot of false things about Hinduism and India are said about without much proof. “Aryans came from Iran and the Tamils came from the Mediterranean”, “Caste system came from Indus Valley”, “Brahmins migrated to the South in 1000BC with Agastya”, “Tamils have a separate culture”, “Indus valley people spoke Dravidian Languages”, “Aryan Shiva is different from Dravidian Shiva”, “Shiva is Phallus Symbol, Yoni is genital Symbol”, “Manu was against women”, “Vedic people were illiterate nomads”, “All Hindu Women were burnt alive when their husbands die”— all such rubbish things have been written by foreign ‘scholars’ just to divide the country and the people. Most of the things are said on one or two references or negative evidence. I have been writing in this blog to prove them wrong and how and where they went wrong.

A Buddhist scholar wrote that rivers of blood were flowing due to animal sacrifice on the banks of river Charmanvadhi. If we take all exaggerated versions of poets as facts, a lot of bad things can be said about any culture, community or religion with one or two quotes from their books! Poets have a different way of presenting anything. One must look for more evidence before saying anything on a particular topic.

One third of ancient Tamil poems refer to prostitutes. It is not a true reflection on the Tamil community. Just to emphasize Tamil’s concern for chastity, the poets exaggerate such things. Tamils’ morality was on a higher level. Any one will get a better picture if one takes all the available facts.

A mention about meat eating by Kalidasa’s Brahmin jester (Vidushaka) in one of his dramas and Brahmin Tamil poet Kapila’s verse in Sangam literature sent wrong messages to Indian ‘scholars’!

Picture of Indus seal with bull

Foreign scholars had double standards in interpreting anything Hindu, anything Indian. When they wanted to date all Indian materials they took the latest reference in the particular work (Eg. Valmiki Ramayana). When they wanted to belittle anything they showed all good things as interpolations! When they wanted to take the whole work and criticize them, they never talked about interpolations! (Eg. Manu Dharma Shastra’s juicy bits about women and Shudras!). They wrote that all good things were imported in to India from Egypt, Babylonia and Greece! No exports from India!! To discredit Indians they even named Indian numerals as Arabic numerals!

Maha Bharata and Vedas are compilations. Vyasa, the greatest literary figure the world has ever seen, did this monumental work. He gathered all the materials available in his time, divided Vedas in to four parts and entrusted the work to four of his disciples to preserve and pass it on to generations to come. He gathered all the available stories and customs and inserted them or woven them in the great Maha Bharata, the longest epic in the world. So we will definitely see contradictions. They are apparent and not real. The overall picture one gets about Indian culture is the same. But for writing Ph.D. thesis and debating in scholarly circles, the apparent contradictions come very handy!

The moral lesson is:

Don’t take anybody’s word for it.

Don’t jump to conclusions by reading one bit from a volume of materials. Read the original in full and arrive at a conclusion.

PLEASE READ MY EARLIER POSTS:

1/ The Sugarcane Mystery: Indus Valley and the Ikshvaku Dynasty

2/ Biggest Brain wash in The World

3/ How Old Is Indian civilisation?

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N.B.Pictures are taken from various websites;thanks.