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Next to Rig Veda, Gathas of Zoroaster is the oldest book in the world. The language of the Gathas comes closer to Sanskrit than any other language. The very word Gatha is Sanskrit for song. It is in Prakrit and Tamil. Gatha travelled from Kanyakumari to Iran. Gatha Sapta Sati, the most famous Prakrit anthology and 30 Kathais of most famous Tamil epic Silappadikaram are known to all scholars.

Zrnd Avesta, Veda of Parsis list 16 places as their home. The sixteen places include the Aryana (Haryana? and Sapta Sindhu (later known as Punjab)

First let us look at the 16 places and then go to the comments:-

Even a cursory glance at the list shows big confusion and chaos; worlds like unknown , uncertain, ‘probabl’y are found in the explanations; and then five or six interpretations for each location; last but not the least it covers a vast area of India, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan , Iran etc. We know that one cant jump from Punjab to Iran without crossing the lands in between. So it covers Iraq and other countries as well. The reason for these vast area is they spread the religion to all these places. Historically we find evidence as well. But the most important words are Aryan land (first in the list) and Sapta Sindhu (last but one in the list). For some scholars the first one is in Iran. All those scholars who support this believed in Aryans coming from Central Asia into India. Now it is found wrong because of the latest findings on River Sarasvati. The river Sarasvati is also found in other places with S=H. it shows clearly they named Hindu original place names wherever they went. We see it in Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand, Pacific islands and South Africa. Wherever the white people went and plundered the native population, they named those places with some place names in Europe. So they assumed Indians also did that. I don’t need to give the long list. If you look at the place names in the above mentioned countries you can easily identify them.

The last one in the list of 16, is Rasa. The river Rasa which is found in Rig Veda is not identified. The Zoroastrian tradition talks about Hara mountain. The words in Su’mer’ and Pa’mir’, Kh’me’r (in Cambodia) are nothing but Meru, wherever Hindus went they named the rivers ‘Ganga’ and the mountain ‘Meru’. You can even see Meru in East Africa. You can see Ganga in the thick forests of Congo (Ganga) in central Africa or Me kong (Ma Ganga) of South East Asia. So it is a tradition to name the places of your origin. We find the word ‘Ganga’ in Sri Lankan rivers too.

So the unidentified Rasa river , the identified Sapta Sindhu Rivers, the mountain Hara (Kailash or Su Meru), all these point out to Greater India which included Afghanistan where from Mahabharata princess Gandhari and Ramayana Princess Kaikeyi came and married Hindu epic heroes.

In short, all the 16 places mentioned in the list are in Greater India. The people who believed in Aryan invasion , reversed (Ulta) everything.

 Another evidence comes from Manu Smrti. The oldest parts of Manu smriti belonged to the period when Sarasvati was flowing. One of the punishments mentioned in Manu smriti is to walk against the current of River Sarasvati. And that Manu Smriti also used the words Aryan land which is around Haryana/Aryana of today.

In short, the Parsis or Zoroastrians moved from this area to Iran and named places after their homeland India.

Here is what Manu says about Arya Bhumi

Aaryaavartaa – Manu 2-22/3; 10-34

“From the eastern sea to the western sea , the area  between the two mountains  is what wise men call the Land of the Aryans”.  So according to Manu, it was the vast land between the Vindhyas and Himalayas. During Vedic period there was no civilization in South India.

P L Bhargava gives linguistic evidence as well. We will look at it in the second part:-

Vendidad references[ (from Wikipedia)

The main Avestan text of geographical interest is the first chapter of the Vidēvdād. This consists of a list of sixteen

The list is as follows:

  1. Airyanem Vaēǰah = the homeland of Zoroaster and Zoroastrianism, near the provinces of SogdianaMargianaBactria, etc., listed immediately after it.[2] The historical location of Airyanem Vaejah is still uncertain
  2. Gava = Sogdiana;
  3. Mōuru = Margiana;
  4. Bāxδī = Bactria;
  5. Nisāya = a district between Margiana and Bactria. Most historians believe this location is Nisa modern day south of Turkmenistan.[11] some believe Neyshabur. perhaps Maimana;[12]
  6. Harōiva = AriaHerat;
  7. Vaēkərəta = Gandhāra;[13]
  8. Urvā = the exact location of Urva is unknown, some claim Ghazni;[14] Darmesteter believed it to be Urgench in modern day UzbekistanEdward Granville Browne believed it to be Tus in Khorasan Province of Iran (Vandid, darmesteter Page 68);
  9. Xnənta = la region defined as vəhrkānō.šayana- ”the dwelling place of the Vəhrkāna,” where Marquart placed the Barkánioi of Ctesias,[15] an ethnicon analogous with that of Old Persian Varkāna, the inhabitants of Hyrcania, the present Gorgān or, less probably, Hyrcania;[16]
  10. Haraxᵛaitī = Arachosia;
  11. Haētumant = the region of Helmand River roughly corresponding to the Achaemenian Drangiana (Zranka);[17]
  12. Raγa = or Raga, location is modern day in Rey in Tehran province, to be distinguished, given its position in the list[18] from Median Ragā and probably also from Raγa zaraθuštri- of Yashts 19.18;[19]
  13. Čaxra =locations is still uncertain, but DarmesteterDehkhoda, and Hassan Pirnia believe the location is Shahrud[20] Čarx between Ghaznī and Kabul, in the valley of Lōgar,[21] not Māzandarān, as Christensen thought;
  14. Varəna = most of historian believes location is Gilan.[22] also Bunēr,[23] the Varṇu of the Mahāmāyūrī, the ʿAornos of Alexander the Great, the homeland of FerΘraētaona/Frēdōn/Afrīḏūn;[24]
  15. Hapta Həndu = Sanskrit Sapta Sindhu, the area of Punjab;
  16. Raŋhā = Rasā in Vedic geography, at times mentioned together with Kubhā (Kabul) and Krumu (Kurram),[25] a river situated in a mountainous area, probably connected with the Indus River, not with the Jaxartes or with the Volga.[26]

One of the old, thorny problems in studies on Avestan geography is represented by Airyana Vaēǰah (Pahlavi: Ērānwēz), “the area of the Aryans” and first of the sixteen districts in Vd.

Airyana Vaēǰah onto the traditional one of a center of the world where the Peak of Harā rises. The fact that Airyana Vaēǰah is situated in a mountainous region explains its severe climate (Vd. 1.2.3 This is not surprising if we consider the analogy between the Iranian concept of the peak of Harā with the Indian one of Mount Meru or Sumeru. Peak of Harā (ttaira haraysä) in the Avestan tradition.

Look at the order of 16 places. Westerners say Aryana was in Iran. The last but  one is Sapta Sindhu in Punjab. But the chronology of Vedas and Gathas is in reverse order; that is the Rig Veda of Punjab is very old compared to Gatha language (Avestan); So they moved from Vedic land and lived in isolation in Iran for long and the Avestan language of Gathas was born.

I personally see the same in India. Vedic Hindus moved towards south and Tamil evolved. My research shows that any ancient word can be traced to Tamil or Sanskrit. Some words have missing links. Most of the key words can be traced. I already showed how V changes to P in ancient Tamil and Avestan. Tamil tradition says that Shiva sent Agastya to south to write a grammar for Tamil. Only when there is something in common, a person from Himalayas can write grammar for Tamil. Great poets like Kamban and Bharati mentioned Tamil -Agastya link. Kalidasa was the oldest poet to mention Pandya and Agastya link in Raghu Vamsa. So it is a 2100 year old belief.

P L Bhargava also explains it.

To be continued………………………………….

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