Post No.7474

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First let us look at two basic facts:-

1.Greeks is relatively a modern term given to the people by Romans. Now it is called Hellas. Scholars could not give the meaning of both the names. Only conjectural theories are there.

2.Greek civilization did not begin in mainland but in an island known as Crete.

Now let me give some important words connected with earliest period of Greek History:

3.First civilization in Greece is MINOAN. In Tamil ‘’MIINAVAN meaning a King of ancient Tamil Kingdom of Pandyas. They had the title Miinavan (equivalent to Sanskrit Matsyas. Both Miin and Matsya mean Fish in English)

4.One of the earliest kings mentioned by Herodotus and others is PANDION . Oldest Tamil Kingdom is Pandiyan kingdom. Their Tamil academies are dated to a fabulous period of 10,000 years (In Iraiyaanar Akapporul  Urai)


Who was PANDION?

5.According to Herodotus, the Lycians originally came from Crete and were the followers of Sarpedon. They were expelled by Minos and ultimately settled in territories belonging to the Solymoi (or Milyans) of Milyas in Asia Minor. The Lycians were originally known as Termilae before being named after Lycus who was the son of Pandion.

–from Wikipedia under Lycians.

6.Note another important word in the above  passage:

They were called TERMILAI. Scholars have already identified that DRAVIDA became DRAMILA which became TAMIL or vice verse.

So we can easily see TERMILAI is nothing but Dramila i.e Tamils.

If a person concocts a theory on a single word , scholars will summarily reject it. But we see Three words here: Minoan, Pandion and Termilai. So one can not reject them just like that. And all these are said by the earliest historian Herodotus of sixth century BCE!

7.The comparisons do not stop there. More interesting things are “N” ending in Pandion, another king Sarpindon etc. This is a typical Tamil feature.

8.Early Historians added one more interesting information. They were a matriarchal society. They called themselves by their mothers names.

This is again a Tamil feature. In my article about Amazons of India (Stri Rajyas= Woman Kingdoms) of India I have given two Stri Rajyas, one in North West India and another in Tamil Nadu. Even Megasthanes referred to ‘Pandeya’ Queen of Madurai 2300 years ago. That was Goddess Meenkashi of Madurai. She may have lived several hundred years before Megathanes. Like we worship Kshatria kings Rama and Krishna as Gods, she would have become a Goddess in course of time. In fact, Tamil and Sanskrit literature use the one word for God and King!,

Arjuna- Alli Rani (Rani=Queen) is a famous dance theme in Tamil folklore. Allirani is named Chirangada in Mahabharata. So matriarchy existed in Tamil Stri Rajya at one time.

My Comments:

Based on the above facts, what I surmise is there was a fight between the Tamil migrants in Crete Island; Tamil Minoan (Miinavan) and Tamil Pandion (Pandyan) had fraternal fight like we see in the Mahabharata or later Tamil Sangam Period History. In fact, Tamils are the longest fighting race in the world. Three Tamil kings fought among themselves continuously for at least 1600 years till they invited Muslims to interfere. And Muslims devoured all the three Tamil kingdoms and finished Tamil Rule in Tamil land in 14th century CE. In short Tamil rulers committed suicide by inviting Muslim invaders.

Back to Greece

Greek is place where people of mixed races migrated and a lot of newer things emerged from 8th Century BCE when Homer wrote first Greek epics Iliad and Odyssey . They had a darker period of 400 years before Homer. No scholar is able to tell us what happened.

9.We see lot of similarities between the Greeks and Hindus.

I have already written about the following:

1.Rig Vedic Sarama dog story in Greek Hermes Dog story

2.Comprison between Penelope and Nappinnai in Tamil

3.Torjan Horse came from Turaga (horse in Sanskrit). When you say Trojan Horse actually you are saying Horse Horse Story. The word Turkey came from Turaga where from Hindus imported horses. The earliest Sanskrit inscription, writing, manual, letters – all came from Turkey-Syria region.

(Please read my articles or Wikipedia articles on Mitannian Civilization, Amarna/Dasaratha letters in Egypt, Kikkuli’s Horse manual with Sanskrit instructions—all dated 14th century BCE!!!),

10.More New information

Words Crete is from the Sanskrit word Krita/Crown.

If you look at the map of Greece, you can see Crete looks like a crown on the head of Greek Mother, like India has Kashmir crown on Bharat Matha (Mother India).

Some scholars believe Shresta (the best) became Crete.

11.More Tamil words!

Tamils called all their ports Thurai. It is in the most famous city of TROY.

So with Troy, Pandion, Minovan and Termilai we are dead sure about Tamil connection to ancient Greece.

My Pet Theory

From 2012 I have been writing in this blog that Sanskrit and Tamil were the two languages that gave birth to other ancient languages. Tamil and Sanskrit came from one source, Lord Shiva, according to Tamil poets. Because they had the same morphological structure Agastya Rishi from the Himalayas came and codified the first grammar book for Tamil. This is also not disputed by anyone. From Kalidasa’s Raguvamsa to the greatest modern Tamil poet Bharati we read about Tamil-Pandya-Agastya connection.

Even before Alexander’s invasion Tamil words are found in Greek. Common origin of Sanskrit and Greek are accepted by all world scholars. My theory is Tamil also belonged to same root and the case suffixes and the Sandhi Rules (Joining rules) are unique to Tamil and Sanskrit.

12.Tamil words in Greek

I have already listed in my earlier posts the following words:

Paleo (Pazaiaya in Tamil), Tele (Tholai), Nereids/water nymphs (Neer), Oryza (Arisi), Odometer (Odu), Syrinx (Suranga), Dolia (Thaazi), Penelope (Nappinnai, Pene=Pinnu),

Amphorae (ambanam, ambaaram), Alpha  (A, Aa), Pepper (Pippali), Tyrannos (Thiram), Pathos (Padu, Vathai), Anthropo (Aan, Andiran/Indra, Andrew), Cheir (Kai), Paidi (paiyan=page in English), Mega (Maha, Maa).,

Apart from these words, Sandal, Ginger, Malapathram (cinnamon), Ezini (yavanika/curtain), Hora (hour, Orai in Tamil), Gala (Halu in Kannada Paal in Tamil) and many more words are referred to by other scholars.

A Tamil-Sanskrit root word can branch out in only two ways and it is seen in ,

Pathos – Padu, Pattaaan in Tamil and Vathai in Sanskrit

Anthropo – Aan, Andiran in Tamil and Indra in Sanskrit

Sandal – Saanthu in Tamil, Chandan in Sanskrit.

Une – Eka – Eine – One in Tamil, Eka in Sanskrit

Mega – Maha- Maa in Tamil

If we follow this pattern, we can trace most of the ancient word to either Sanskrit or Tamil.

That means the world became civilized by Sanskrit and Tamil contacts. Hindus migrated to other parts of the world from India and spread the culture.

13.YAVANAS/GREEKS are HINDUS says Mahabharata.

Greeks, Egyptians, Sumerians, Mayans say that they came to the land from elsewhere. But the only people in the world who say they are the sons of the soil are Hindus. Vedic scriptures and later Sangam books never talked about outward origin or migration into India. Hindu scripture said that even Devas (heavenly angels) wanted to be born in India.,

About Tamil literary references to Yavana guards, Yavana Colonies, Yavana lamps, Yavana wine, Yavana architects, Yavana mystic Oracles etc I have posted several articles here.

Hindu scripture say that all races Yavanas, Sakas/scythyans, Kambojas, Dravidians, Pahrlavas/Iranians and many other people came from Divine Cow- Kama dhenu. They consider all the world comprise only Hindus. But the scripture say that they did not follow all the rules of Vedas or they were born to mixed caste/ race couples. This is very unique. They say all came from the same source. If we apply it to their speeches, naturally they should have spoken only one language!

14.Yet another proof of Vedic Hindus’ expansion is seen in the names of the first Kings: India- Manu, Egypt- Manu/Menes, Greece – Manu/Minos

15.Here is a sloka from Mahabharata first book Adi Parvam:-

Yados tu yaadavaa jaataas turvasor yavanaahaa sutaahaa

Druhyor api sutaa bhojaa anos tu mlecchajaatayaha


Van Buitenen translation –,

From Yadu sprang the Yadava;  Turvasu’s sons are known as the Yavanas; Druhyu’s sons became the Bhojas;  Anu’s, the tribes of the Barbarians.

Mlecchas are also Vedic people.

Vedas mention Pancha Janaahaa/ Five groups. They are

Yadu, Turvasu, Druhyu, Anu and Puru.

There are lot of references to Yavanas/Greeks. I will give the translation of a few more slokas/couplets  below:-

Visvamitra , while still a king, tries to take the sage Vasistha’s cow Kaamadhenu . 1-165-35

Then Vasistha became angry and cursed Visvamitra and the cow produced troops to drive away the enemies.

“From her/cow’s horse she created the Pahlavas; the Sabaras and Sakas from the dung; from her urine she created the  Yavanas, as she well high swooned with rage. From her foam she brought forth the Pundras, Kiratas, Dramidas, Simhalas,  Barbaras, Daradas and Mlecchas. And when she brought forth these manifold hosts of  Barbarians clad in their manifold armour and brandishing arms , she scattered with her furious troops that large enemy before Visvamitra’s eyes”.

Hindus always speak in symbolic language. Because of Kamadhenu there was a clash and as a result of which these people sided with Visvamitra, but defeated by Vasistha’s troops–  is the hidden message

16.What we have to see here is that the sloka mentioned all the Vedic tribes came from one source- the Divine Cow. And all parts of cow except the front are sacred to Hindus. No one came from the front part of the cow. Hindus even today touch the backside of the cows and worship them. They show the backside (arse) of the cow to the god in all the temples in the early morning .They use the cow dung and urine for purification. Cow’s urine and dung have anti-bacterial medical properties. All are our people is the simple message conveyed through this story.,

(Pahlavas- Iranians, Barbarians- Babylonians, Darads- Tartarians, Kiratas-Chinese, Yavanas- Greeks/Romans, Dravidas- South Indians etc).

Later when the Hindus spread about to different parts of the world, they slowly adopted other local customs.

tags – Greek , Tamil, Tamil Hindus, Yavana, Pandion, Termilai, Minavan, Minoan

Xxx subham xxx



POST NO.7367



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A Bronze Age painting on a Greek island shows a monkey from thousands of kilometres away in Asia. The finding suggests that ancient cultures separated by great distances were trading and exchanging ideas.

The artwork is one of several wall paintings in a building at Akrotiri on the Greek island of Thera (Santorini) in the Aegean Sea. Akrotiri was a settlement of the Minoan civilisation in Bronze Age Greece that was buried by ash from a volcanic eruption in around 1600 BC.

Many of the paintings show monkeys, yet there were no monkeys in Greece at the time. Most of the monkeys have been identified as Egyptian species like olive baboons. This makes sense because Egypt was in contact with the Minoan civilisation, which was spread across several Aegean islands. However, others were harder to identify.

Marie Nicole Pareja at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia teamed up with primatologists to re-examine the mystery monkey paintings. One stood out. “When they looked at this wall painting, they all straight away unambiguously said ‘that’s a langur’,” says Pareja.

The team has identified the monkey as a grey langur (Semnopithecus). As well as its distinctive fur, the monkey was depicted holding its tail in a characteristic S shape.

Grey langurs live in southern Asia in what is now Nepal, Bhutan and India – and particularly in the Indus Valley. During the Bronze Age, the region was home to the Indus Valley Civilisation, one of the most important societies of that time. Although it was past its peak, the Indus Valley Civilisation was still advanced for its time, with large cities and elaborate water supply systems.

Somehow, the artist who painted the monkey picture must have seen a grey langur. But how?

Did Minoan Greeks visit the Indus? “I wouldn’t be surprised if someday in the future we found evidence for that kind of direct contact,” says Pareja, but right now there is none. It is also possible the visit was the other way round, but again there is no evidence.

Instead, it may be that Greece and Indus were connected via Mesopotamia, another Bronze Age civilisation centred on what is now Iraq. Langurs may have been imported to Mesopotamia for menageries, where visiting Greeks saw them.

“It’s evidence of this far-reaching trade, these relationships with these far-flung areas,” says Pareja. Even in the Bronze Age, it seems there was a lot of exchange between seemi

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Painted Bronze Age Monkeys Hint at the Interconnectedness of the Ancient World

The fascinating “tail” of how Indian monkeys might have ended up in a Minoan painting

Painted Bronze Age Monkeys Hint at the Interconnectedness of the Ancient World

The fascinating “tail” of how Indian monkeys might have ended up in a Minoan painting

The blue monkey fresco at Akrotiri, an ancient settlement on the Aegean island of Thera, or modern-day Santorini (Public domain)

By Katherine J. Wu

DECEMBER 16, 2019


As far as archaeologists know, Asian monkeys weren’t trotting the globe during the Bronze Age. That’s why a millennia-old Greek painting of a gray langur—a primate native to the Indian subcontinent—was surprising enough to stop researchers dead in their tracks.

Archaeologists and primatologists re-analyzing wall paintings found in Akrotiri, a Minoan settlement on Thera (modern-day Santorini) buried by volcanic ash around 1600 B.C., have uncovered evidence that Bronze Age Greek artists knew of—and may have even seen—monkeys whose native habitat was thousands of miles away. Their findings, newly published in the journal Primateshint that ancient cultures were more intertwined than previously thought. Eager to exchange ideas, artists or merchants may have journeyed far from home; eventually, the fruits of these wanderers’ travels were immortalized in paint.

Previous researchers have already noted that some of the Bronze Age artworks unearthed on the Greek islands of Crete and Thera depict monkeys of all shapes and sizes. Based on the animals’ features, as well as close trade relations between the Minoans and the Egyptians, some have been pinpointed as olive baboons, which are native to the forests and savannas of the African continent.

Other painted primates, however, were more mysterious. For instance, sprawled across one of the Akrotiri building’s walls is a fresco populated by blue, rock-climbing monkeys with buoyant, S-shaped tails. The primates remained unidentified until recently, when Marie Nicole Pareja, an archaeologist at the University of Pennsylvania, recruited a group of primatologists to re-examine the painting.

“It felt really silly to examine an image of these animals as an archaeologist and art historian without asking for the input of people who look at them every day,” she tells Tom Whipple at the Times.

After snapping photos of the fresco and several other Aegean artworks, Pareja sent them to colleagues around the world. Several confirmed the Egyptian nature of the majority of the monkeys but reported that the Akrotiri painting “unambiguously” contained gray langurs, says Pareja to New Scientist’s Michael Marshall.

According to Whipple, the langurs’ tails gave them away. Flexing skyward, they bore no resemblance to the appendages of African monkeys, which droop downward. Instead, they acted as calling cards for gray langurs, a species most likely hailing from the Indus Valley—then home to its own bustling civilization.

How exactly the artists came across their source material remains unclear. As Whipple reports, the exquisite detail seen in the fresco makes Pareja suspect it’s unlikely the works’ creators simply copied the monkeys secondhand. That means someone, whether human, monkey or both, undertook an arduous crossing of the many thousands of miles that separated the civilizations, or perhaps met somewhere in the middle.

“When you consider the distance of the Aegean to the Indus, compared to Egypt, it is incredible,” says Pareja.

Such cosmopolitan behavior probably wasn’t easy, but “our ancestors were interested in rare and exotic things, just as we are,” Peter Frankopan, a global history expert at Oxford University who wasn’t involved in the study, tells Whipple. “Long-distance trade, and connections between the Mediterranean, Asia and the Indian Ocean are well attested, even in this period, for high value, expensive objects.”

A live langur from a far-flung locale would certainly fit that bill. There’s even evidence from other archaeological finds supporting the idea that foreign monkeys might have made it to Greece: a fossilized skull on Thera, for instance, and an ivory figurine on Crete.

Wherever the primates ended up, they were significant enough for the locals to painstakingly craft into art. Known to archaeologists since the 1960s, the Akrotiri wall paintings feature scenes of daily Greek life in the Bronze Age, illuminating the manners and customs of the time, according to the Thera Foundation. If gray langurs made the cut, it’s unlikely the primates were a one-off thought for the ancient Minoans.

The monkey’s presence also signifies another cultural value that remains a keystone of the human experience: intellectual exchange.

“This is showing us that what people later consider the Silk Roads are working even then, at least indirectly,” Pareja tells Whipple. “We talk about the Minoans, about the Egyptians, about the Indus peoples, all as if they are separate. But they are interconnected.”