Indra or Surya, Wheel God in Indus Valley
Wheel God Jupiter in Europe


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Amazing new information has come out of Rig Veda linking Sun- Indra- Taranis- Jupiter-Zeus- Celtic Wheel God

One more proof that shows Sarasvati/Indus valley civilization is closer to Celtic and Vedic civilization than any other civilization.

Magazines from Scientific American to unknown local news papers have already published the similarities between the most famous Pasupati/Shiva seal image of Sarasvati-Indus Valley civilization and the Horned God on Celtic objects. (See my links for pictures)

I wrote two articles connecting the Indus Figure on elephant with a wheel on top to Taranis-Thor in Celtic and other cultures.,

Now there is an unknown story in the Rig Veda about Indra stealing the wheel from Suurya, the Sun God which can be linked to Roman, Greek and Celtic Gods.

These two pictures of Celtic Pasupati and Celtic Wheel God are pushing Indus civilization towards the Vedic Hindu Civilization.


Rig Veda gives a story about INDRA STEALING THE WHEEL OF SUN GOD ‘SUURYA’.

No one has explained it satisfactorily except giving its verbatim translation and some hypothesis.,

1.Rishi Vamadeva Gautama praises Indra in RV 4-30-4

“When for the sake of those oppressed , and Kutsa as he battled , you stole away the Sun’s car wheel”

(It is about the war between the angels and demons- Deva Asura Yuddha)

In another hymn Rig Veda  1-175-4, Rishi Agastya says

“Empowered by your own might , O Sage, you stole Suurya’s Chariot Wheel”

(Suurya – Sun God in Vedas).

In 10-43-5 , Rishi Krishna Angirasa praises Indra

“As in the game a gambler piles his winnings, so Maghavan sweeping all together, gained the Sun

This mighty deed of yours, none other could achieve, none Maghavan, before you none in recent time”

(Maghavan means very generous; another name of Indra)


Surya from Bath, Britain

Western Explanations

Above three hymns refer to an anecdote which is not explained by anyone properly. Western commentators make a passing reference saying it may be a solar eclipse or a weather phenomenon. Hindu Puranas did not say anything about it.,

Griffith says on RV 4-30-4

‘Stolest away the Sun’s car-wheel’

An eclipse of the Sun, perhaps, is intended; or the meaning may be merely that the Sun’s course was stayed, as in stanza 3.

Griffith says on RV 1-175-4

‘Thou stolest Surya’s chariot wheel’-

Indra is said to have taken the wheel of the chariot of the Sun and to have cast it like a quoit against the demon of drought.


The seer mentioned in the preceding hymn; Indra defended him against Susna, or protected mankind from drought; see 1-151-6

On 10-43-5, Griffith comments

‘Gained the sun’-

Conquers him by taking away the moisture, that is water that he has absorbed-,


Strabo (Greek Geographer  63 BCE – 27 CE)

It looks like Griffith was also not sure about this ‘Surya Wheel Theft’ episode. It may be a Solar Eclipse or a weather phenomenon.

Strabo says that Indians are worshipping Jupiter Pluvinus, no doubt meaning Indra, and he has also been compared to  Jupiter Tonana. So the scholarly world knows that Jupiter of Rome is Indra of Rig Veda. He is portrayed as God of Sky, God of Thunder. He is again compared with Zeus of Greece.

Indra, Jupiter and Zeus are considered supreme Gods in their own countries.

Alfred Hillebrandt (German Indologist 1853-1927) says

Indra must have been a Sun God who melts the frost on approach of spring; seers praise him as the slayer of Vritra (demon of drought). In the Brahmanas , the mountains that are split open by Indra are explained as clouds . The description fits much better the letting loose of the streams after being imprisoned by frost.,

A lot of seals with Swastika emblem are discovered in Indus- Sarasvati basin. We find Swastika images Europe as well. Western scholars interpreted Swastikaa is Sun. Until this day Hindus worship Swastika as an auspicious symbol, We find it on wedding invitations, Walls in the shops, temples and Jain statues.

from Denmark

Celtic Connection

Miranda Green says in her book ‘THE SUN GODS OF ANCIENT EUROPE’ (Year 1991)

“When the Romans colonised the Celtic territories of Gaul, Britain and the Rhineland , there grew a hybrid , Romano- Celtic culture which had a profound effect upon religious expression in western Europe.

“Observation of the entire spectrum of Celtic Sun images and symbols raises several points of interest. He may appear on public monuments which signify corporate worship. On such occasions, the deity may be accompanied by his Greco – Roman panoply of sceptre, eagle and thunderbolt . In some places Jupiter appear with horns. Bronze statue of Wheel God with the inscription of Jupiter is found  (Landouzy -la- ville, Aisne). Bronze statue of wheel god with thunderbolt and lightning flashes is found in Le Chatelet, Haute Marne.

“The role of the solar symbol itself is interesting; the wheel may simply accompany the celestial god, as one of his attributes or it may possess a more active role as a protective shield, on the images of the warrior sun god .

“In some places swastika or wheel is shown. Wheel and swastika may be mutually replaceable .,

“ In the Celtic world the Greek Zeus or Roman Jupiter became identified with or linked to celestial powers which were already venerated in pre- Roman Celtic lands”.

The above selections are enough from the 168 page book of Miranda Green to show that Zeus- Jupiter, Celtic Wheel God are one and the same or closely linked.

Europeans were already worshipping Sun and one replaced the other or merged in course of time.

Wheel god is also identified as Celtic Taranis

Indra’s Vajra Ayudha from Mongolia


Scholars around the world have already discovered and debated over these connections. My discovery is that INDRA IS THE WHEEL GOD and INDRA IS ONE WHO STOLE THE WHEEL OF SUN CHARIOT as we find in the Rig Veda.

Earlier I interpreted the Indus figure of ‘one who stands on elephant with a wheel on his head’ as Indra on his elephant Vahana Iravata with Cakra (wheel) to show that he is a Chakravarthi (Emperor). Indra’s other name is Cakra (wheel). Throughout Buddhist literature he is called Cakka (corruption of Chakra).,

Now my interpretation is HE IS INDRA WHO STOLE THE WHEEL OF CHARIOT OF THE SUN as we see in three Rig Vedic hymns.

I can conclude Indra = Sun God = Zeus= Jupiter = Celtic Wheel God.

Another interesting titbit is Jupiter (European Indra) is shown with Eagle. Vedic scriptures also identify Indra with Eagle (Suparna, Syena). The famous Sibi story found in Mahabharata, Buddhist Jataka tales and Sangam Tamil ‘Pura Nanuru’ verses also show Indra came in the form of an Eagle and Agni came in the form of a Pigeon.

Books used —

The Rig Veda- Griffith’s Translation

A Classical Dictionary of Hindu Mythology , John Dowson

The Sun Gods of Ancient Europe by Miranda Green (1991)

Vedic Hymns by Edward J Thomas, 1923

Sun Goddess- Myth Legend and History , Sheena Mc Grath, (1997)

Pasupati from Gundestrup, Denmark

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A Bronze Age painting on a Greek island shows a monkey from thousands of kilometres away in Asia. The finding suggests that ancient cultures separated by great distances were trading and exchanging ideas.

The artwork is one of several wall paintings in a building at Akrotiri on the Greek island of Thera (Santorini) in the Aegean Sea. Akrotiri was a settlement of the Minoan civilisation in Bronze Age Greece that was buried by ash from a volcanic eruption in around 1600 BC.

Many of the paintings show monkeys, yet there were no monkeys in Greece at the time. Most of the monkeys have been identified as Egyptian species like olive baboons. This makes sense because Egypt was in contact with the Minoan civilisation, which was spread across several Aegean islands. However, others were harder to identify.

Marie Nicole Pareja at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia teamed up with primatologists to re-examine the mystery monkey paintings. One stood out. “When they looked at this wall painting, they all straight away unambiguously said ‘that’s a langur’,” says Pareja.

The team has identified the monkey as a grey langur (Semnopithecus). As well as its distinctive fur, the monkey was depicted holding its tail in a characteristic S shape.

Grey langurs live in southern Asia in what is now Nepal, Bhutan and India – and particularly in the Indus Valley. During the Bronze Age, the region was home to the Indus Valley Civilisation, one of the most important societies of that time. Although it was past its peak, the Indus Valley Civilisation was still advanced for its time, with large cities and elaborate water supply systems.

Somehow, the artist who painted the monkey picture must have seen a grey langur. But how?

Did Minoan Greeks visit the Indus? “I wouldn’t be surprised if someday in the future we found evidence for that kind of direct contact,” says Pareja, but right now there is none. It is also possible the visit was the other way round, but again there is no evidence.

Instead, it may be that Greece and Indus were connected via Mesopotamia, another Bronze Age civilisation centred on what is now Iraq. Langurs may have been imported to Mesopotamia for menageries, where visiting Greeks saw them.

“It’s evidence of this far-reaching trade, these relationships with these far-flung areas,” says Pareja. Even in the Bronze Age, it seems there was a lot of exchange between seemi

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The blue monkey fresco at Akrotiri, an ancient settlement on the Aegean island of Thera, or modern-day Santorini (Public domain)

By Katherine J. Wu

DECEMBER 16, 2019


As far as archaeologists know, Asian monkeys weren’t trotting the globe during the Bronze Age. That’s why a millennia-old Greek painting of a gray langur—a primate native to the Indian subcontinent—was surprising enough to stop researchers dead in their tracks.

Archaeologists and primatologists re-analyzing wall paintings found in Akrotiri, a Minoan settlement on Thera (modern-day Santorini) buried by volcanic ash around 1600 B.C., have uncovered evidence that Bronze Age Greek artists knew of—and may have even seen—monkeys whose native habitat was thousands of miles away. Their findings, newly published in the journal Primateshint that ancient cultures were more intertwined than previously thought. Eager to exchange ideas, artists or merchants may have journeyed far from home; eventually, the fruits of these wanderers’ travels were immortalized in paint.

Previous researchers have already noted that some of the Bronze Age artworks unearthed on the Greek islands of Crete and Thera depict monkeys of all shapes and sizes. Based on the animals’ features, as well as close trade relations between the Minoans and the Egyptians, some have been pinpointed as olive baboons, which are native to the forests and savannas of the African continent.

Other painted primates, however, were more mysterious. For instance, sprawled across one of the Akrotiri building’s walls is a fresco populated by blue, rock-climbing monkeys with buoyant, S-shaped tails. The primates remained unidentified until recently, when Marie Nicole Pareja, an archaeologist at the University of Pennsylvania, recruited a group of primatologists to re-examine the painting.

“It felt really silly to examine an image of these animals as an archaeologist and art historian without asking for the input of people who look at them every day,” she tells Tom Whipple at the Times.

After snapping photos of the fresco and several other Aegean artworks, Pareja sent them to colleagues around the world. Several confirmed the Egyptian nature of the majority of the monkeys but reported that the Akrotiri painting “unambiguously” contained gray langurs, says Pareja to New Scientist’s Michael Marshall.

According to Whipple, the langurs’ tails gave them away. Flexing skyward, they bore no resemblance to the appendages of African monkeys, which droop downward. Instead, they acted as calling cards for gray langurs, a species most likely hailing from the Indus Valley—then home to its own bustling civilization.

How exactly the artists came across their source material remains unclear. As Whipple reports, the exquisite detail seen in the fresco makes Pareja suspect it’s unlikely the works’ creators simply copied the monkeys secondhand. That means someone, whether human, monkey or both, undertook an arduous crossing of the many thousands of miles that separated the civilizations, or perhaps met somewhere in the middle.

“When you consider the distance of the Aegean to the Indus, compared to Egypt, it is incredible,” says Pareja.

Such cosmopolitan behavior probably wasn’t easy, but “our ancestors were interested in rare and exotic things, just as we are,” Peter Frankopan, a global history expert at Oxford University who wasn’t involved in the study, tells Whipple. “Long-distance trade, and connections between the Mediterranean, Asia and the Indian Ocean are well attested, even in this period, for high value, expensive objects.”

A live langur from a far-flung locale would certainly fit that bill. There’s even evidence from other archaeological finds supporting the idea that foreign monkeys might have made it to Greece: a fossilized skull on Thera, for instance, and an ivory figurine on Crete.

Wherever the primates ended up, they were significant enough for the locals to painstakingly craft into art. Known to archaeologists since the 1960s, the Akrotiri wall paintings feature scenes of daily Greek life in the Bronze Age, illuminating the manners and customs of the time, according to the Thera Foundation. If gray langurs made the cut, it’s unlikely the primates were a one-off thought for the ancient Minoans.

The monkey’s presence also signifies another cultural value that remains a keystone of the human experience: intellectual exchange.

“This is showing us that what people later consider the Silk Roads are working even then, at least indirectly,” Pareja tells Whipple. “We talk about the Minoans, about the Egyptians, about the Indus peoples, all as if they are separate. But they are interconnected.”


Comparison between Babylonian and Indian Inscriptions (Post No.6096)

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Date: 19 FEBRUARY 2019

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Those who read the history of Assyria, Babylonia and Sumeria will come across lot of surprises. My research in this field shows that the Asuras of the Rig Vedic time migrated to Iraq and Turkey region. After a certain period, Rig Veda stops talking about lineages of certain Rishis or Kings. It shows clearly that they were pushed out of India by the Vedic Hindus to Iran, Iraq and Turkey.


Iran’s link to Vedic civilization is well established and well known, A revolutionary from Krishna’s land in Saurashtra region of Gujarat migrated or thrown out to Iran (old Persia) and he was called Zoroaster.

(According Kanchi Paramacharya Swamiji, Saurashtrar became Zoroaster)

The reason the Parsees came back to Gujarat in eighth century after the Muslim invasion of Iran is that they knew it was their original home.


Those who through the kings list of Sumeria and Assyria will wonder how the Sanskrit names changed or mis spelt there. If one goes through the original list supplied by Manetho (Manu), and Berossus (VARA RUCHI=BEROSSUS,third century BCE) ,one will see Sanskrit names more clearly. Vedic names like Alarka, Aila, Alavaka,Alina are there in the list. Whether it is Egypt or Middle East first king was called Manu, Menes etc.

Rim stands for Ram and Sin stands for Chandra (moon);

in Sumerian language moon god was called Sin, Suen and Nannar.

In Puranic Chronology Pargiter and other scholars were struggling hard when they found two people with the same name. So they concocted new theories or they blamed one or the other Purana or Ithihasa for the ‘mistake’.


Unfortunately, those people never read Egyptian or Sumerian History. There were 14 kings in Egypt with the name Ramesses (Ramesh or Rama seshan). Now let me give the amazing list of Sumerian kings with Sanskrit equivalents: –






Modern Iraq and Turkey; areas around river Tigris.




Assyrians can be identified from about 2000 BCE onward through their dialect Akkadian. Assyrians were probably named after the location from where they came. The word Ashur stands for God in the middle east dictionary.


This proved two things–
Asuras of Rig Vedic times migrated to or pushed out to Middle east.

The area they occupied was called Assyria. Even in Ancient Indian history the 56 countries names came from the clans. If Matsyas occupy one area it was called Matsya Desa. If Kambojas occupied one area it was called Kamboja. As and when they spread out to new areas the geographical boundaries of their Desas/countries also changed.


The second thing we know is they came to this area around 2000 BCE. In the older parts of Rig Veda, Gods were called Asura (RV 8-25-4). Varuna, Mithra and Indra had the epithet ASURA. But when the name gets a bad or different connotation, one set of people never used it. For instance, words like Negroes, Pariah (Tamil) are not used any more. In those days Pariah was just the name of Drummers who proclaimed Royal orders.

When one migrates to a new area they always remember their original home and name it after it. Ganga is found throughout the world (see my earlier article about Congo and Nile). We see this in Canada, USA and Australia. The people gave the names of their forefather’s towns or lands and added New with the name. We must remember this when we see same names in the Middle East and Egypt.


The spellings change according to the pronunciation of the local people or under the influence of a local dialect. For instance, Tamil Names in Malaysia, Sri Lanka and Mauritius are spelt differently. Same Sanskrit names are used by these people but with different spellings. Mitanni civilization of 1400 BCE in Turkey used beautiful Sanskrit names Dasaratha, Pratardana, Sathya vachan with local spellings.


If one remember these points and read the Middle East list it will be easier for them to see the truth.


Here are some interesting names:





Amarakosa, the Sanskrit thesaurus called Asuras Purva Deva (formerly God). So the ancient scholars knew that the connotation changed slowly. in our own times Panchamas,Pariahs, Dalits, Harijans, out castes, Sudras – all these changed the connotations in course of time.

Dravidian political parties dubbed all Non -Brahmins as Sudra in their political propaganda. Mahatma Gandhi coined a new word Hari Jan for the out castes or the low class people.


The great priest of the Asuras Usanas Sukra belonged to a branch of Bhargava or Atharvan family of Rishis. Puranas mentioned the descendants of all other Brahmin families except the descendants of Sukra Atharvan and his Asura followers. Even Lord Krishna praised Usanas Kavi in Bhagavad Gita. This means the Asura followers or the Atharvan priests left the country and migrated to Iraq/Assyria and Iran.


The word Asura was pronounced Ahura in Iran.Their priest Zarathustra bore the title SPITAMA or white Which is same with Sukra (white) of rig Veda. All these cannot be mere coincidence.

This is a clear proof for their migration to Iran.


in short the Devas and asuras quarreled in ancient times and one group migrated to Iraq and Iran. That is why we see Rig Vedic Gods in Bogazkoy (Turkey) inscription of 1400 BCE and Ahura Mazda in Iran/Persia and Ashur kings in Assyria/Iraq.


Kings List of Assyria


Puzur Ashur I 2000 BCE

Naram Sin (Nara simha or Nara Chandra or Nara Sena)

Sena titles are very common in Mahabharata; at least 24 kings with Sena names in Mahabharata.

Ashur Rabi – around 1500 BCE (Rabi- Ravi/Surya/Sun)

Ashur nadin ahhe

Ashur Nirari 1426 BCE (N and M are interchangeable; it may be Murari)

Ashur bel nishesu 1410 BCE

Ashur nadin ahhe II 1402 BCE

Ashur Ubalit I 1365 BCE


Then there are seven kings with ASHUR title  until 1000 BCE.

Some kings names were used up to four times with I, II, III, IV numbers.


We come across at least Four Dasarathas until Asoka’s grand son’s time in Indian History.


After 1000 BCE we come across at least 20 Asuras in Assyrian king names including the famous Ashur banipal of 668 BCE

Sanskrit name Sargon (Sat Guna or Satrugna) is found in Sumeria, Assyria and other geographical locations. First Sargon ruled Akkad in 2340 BCE.

Ram’s Name


Rim Sin (Rama Chandra or Rama Sena) – 1822 BCE (ruled from Larsa)

Rim sin II – 1741 BCE

Sin in Sumerian is Moon God; Sin= Chandra


There is another proof for using only Gods names in Sumeria:

ADAD and MARDUK- gods’ names were used by at least 20 kings.



Like today’s Hindus use  Chandra as prefix and suffix Sumerians also used Sin either before the name or after the name.


Chandra Sekara

Chandra Murthy

Chandra Hasan

Chandra (female)

Chandramati (Harischandra’s wife)

Chandravati etc



Rama Chandra

Purna Chandra

Vipina Chandran


Sin Iddinam 1849 BCE

Sin Eribam 1842 BCE

Sin Iquisham 1840 BCE




Rimush ruled Akkad in 2284 BCE

Naram Sin in 2260  BCE ( other areas also had this name)

Amar sin (Amara Sena or Amara Chandra)- 2046 BCE from Ur

Shu Sin 2037 BCE (ruled from Ur) Susena or Suchandra

Ibbi sin – 2026 BCE



Danava =Daitya = Asura = demon


The word DANAVA is in the Rig Veda a metronymic of the demon Vritra, who is regarded as an evil spirit in the form of a serpent preventing rain fall (RV 2-12- 11). Danava simply meant a demon. Indra killed him.


Stories of killing snake dragon are in Sumerian civilization as well. Probably,being of Hindu origin, they alo used the same symbolic language, where snake dragon stands for natural obstacles or catastrophes.


Madhu and Lavana, the Yadava kings were also called Danavas (Hari vamsa). Jarasandha, Kamsa were also called Danavas.






Foreigners wrote our history and gave the list of kings only from Buddha period. We must include all the 140+ generations before Buddha.

When we come across same names twice or more times

we must remember Egyptians used the same king’s names 14 times

Sumerians 4 or 5 times.


We must remember the names get corrupted the more you travel in time and space (best examples Tamil names in Malaysia, Sri Lanka and Mauritius).

We must remember words like Ashur and Deva change connotation in course of time like our Panchama, Pariah, Dalit, Sudra, Hari Jan


We must also remember that in the beginning the areas or countries were called after the clans that lived in that area and when they moved the geography also changed. When we see the same Kambojas in different areas at different periods, the name of the country should not mislead us. Look at Kamboja in India and Kambojas in Cambodia.


We must teach our children a Dasaratha (tushratta) ruled Turkey in 1400 BCE and his letters are in Egypt now. This is in all history books in foreign countries but not in India- see Mitanni civilization, Amarna letters, Bogazkoi inscriptions in Wikipedia etc.


We must teach our children that the names of Vedic gods were used in the agreement in Turkey in 1400 BCE


We must include some ancient history in our syllabus from Sumeria, Babylonia and Assyria to show the possibilities of having same names used umpteen times, corruption of Sanskrit names etc (Tushratta=  Dasaratha in Turkey) and to show history begins in 3000 BCE in Egypt, Mayan and Sumerian. In India History begins from 600 BCE. This must be rectified with immediate effect.






Indian Ivory Antiques in England and Russia! (Post No.5393)

Research article Written by London Swaminathan

Date: 4 September 2018


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Post No. 5393
Ivory products of India are found in Ancient Egypt, Russia and Britain. Ivorry objects are mentioned in Kalidasa’s works and Sangam Tamil Literature. Harappans of Indus valley exported Ivory combs and other gold and silver ornaments to Sumeria accoording to Mortimer Wheeler. That shows India is one of the oldest countries in the world to make and use ivory products.

It is supported  by later inscripttions and litearature.

The ivory recovered from elephant is referred toby Kalidasa and other poets:

In Tamil there is a proverb “An elephant is worth 1000 gold coins whether it is alive or dead’. This expalins the value of its tusk and the hide. Moreover Hindu literature is full of references to pearls dropping from tusks (though it is scientifically not proved).

Ivory is referred to in Sangam Tamil Literature as well. Through 200 similes of Kalidasa found in Sangam Tamil literature, I have proved Kalidasa, the greatest Indian poet and playwright, lived before Sangam period, may be in first century or second century BCE.

Ivory Throne : Raguvamsam 17-21

King Athithi had the coronation abishekam sitting in Bhadrasana posture and then went to the next room for changing his clothes where he sat on the Ivory seat (Chair or stool)- (Rv 17-61)

Several Sangam Tamil poets used ivory objects in their poems:

Kapilar sings about the women who pounded the grains in the mortar with pestles made up of ivory and sandal (Kalitokai 40-4)

Tol Kapilar sings about a hunter using the ivory tusk to dig the land to get gold. While he was doing it the tusk broke and pearls inside the tusk came out along with the gold! (Akam 282 -Thol Kapilar).

There is an inscrption in Sanchi (200 BCE) which mentions a guild of ivory carvers in the nearby city of Vidhisa (now known as Besnagar). This fully testifies to the craft ivory carving. Ramayana also mentioned ivory craft. The indian stauette found in Herculaneum and the ivory paques found in Begram further testify to the antiquity of ivory trade. Varahamihira’s Brhat Samhita advises people to make legs of the bed with solid ivory. High ivory potal of a courtesan’s house is mentioned in Sudraka’s ‘The Little Clay Cart’ drama. All these refereces are from the first few centuries of moden era.


Chessmen made up of ivory were used in Brahmanabad in Sind. Ivory laid doors of Bijapur Palace was famous in the eighth century. So we have continous refrences from the Indus valley Time.


Terry in his’ Voyages to the East Indies’ (1655 CE) tells us of the skill of Indian crafsmen in making cabinet boxes, trunks and stands. He also describes the ivory work on tortise shells. Portugese traveller Paes wrote about a hall made up of ivory in Vijayanagara Empire. Hindu temples in South India has several ivory objects. A nagaswara instrument (Tamil Pipe) made up of ivory is in a Hindu temple in Tiruvarur, Tamil Nadu. Sir George Watt made a deep study in the ivory craft of Indians during the 1903 exhibition in Delhi. He has collected lot of trade secrets of ivory traders. Form Kerala to Himachal, there were several towns famous for ivory craftwork.Till ivory sale was banned, all craft shops in India were selling ivory boxes, caskets, statues and combs.

There is ample evidence that ivory craft was well developed in India before the second century BCE.

Jawaharlal Nehru, former Prime Minisrer, donated a three fold ivory carved screen to Soviet Union in 1955. This is on dispaly in Moscow.

Museum in London has a statue of Durga made in Burhanpur in 1851.

Indian Ivory Throne to Queen Victoria
Edgar Thurston, former superintendent of Madras Government Museum, has related the interesting history of India’s ivory industry of 1800s. When one Maharajah, Rama Varma, saw some five ivory carvings , he became enthusiastic about the craft and began to strongly encourage a broader application. The Maharajah who succeeded him, Marthanda Varma sent to Queen Victoria a new ivory throne, elaborately carved and decorated with inset jewels. After prominent display at the Great Exhibition of 1851 in London, it was installed in the State Apartment at Windsor Castle. Nineteenth century ivory products included individual cases for calling cards, envelopes , gloves, handkerchiefs, bookshelves, chessboards etc.

Also carved in Madras was scent bottles, special talismans for children, ‘howdahs’ for carrying royalty on the back of the elephants.
Especially in western India ladies combs and bangles were very common ivory products

The residual ivory saw dust was sometimes sold to cow and buffalo dealers, who fed it to the female animals to increase their milk yield. In northern India ivory saw dust was considered to be a fortifying medicine. In India, ivory craft was a family trade. Boys learnt from their parents when they were young.

The ancient Indian town of Pali, on the old trade route between Bombay and Delhi, turned ivory bangles for several centuries. Entire streets of crafts men made only this article in sets of graduated sizes, so as to cover a woman’s arm from shoulder down to wrist. They were cut from the tusk as it too decreases from base to Point.

English alphabet sets were also made during British rule for export.

In Madras some children wore special talisman s made of ivory.
Following India n museums have ivory products
Prince of Wales museum in Mumbai
Crafts museum, Thapar House, Delhi
Salar Jung Museum, Hyderabad
Art Museum, Thiruvananthapuram

and abroad:-

Museums in London and Windsor

Museum in Moscow

Ivory Craft In other parts of the World:-

The Old Testament includes references to ivory One passage tells that “King Solomon made great throne of ivory and overlaid it with pure gold”, 1 kings 10:18 and 2 chronicles 9:17
More strikingly Ahab allegedly made a house of ivory, 1Kings 22:39
“And the houses of ivory shall perish”, Amos 3:15

The earliest surviving ivory carvings are mainly from Egypt, Phoenicia, Assyria, China and India.
In pre dynastic Egypt tombs contained ivory and fish hooks, arrowheads pins, bodkin,s spoons, knives, combs, bracelets and necklaces

The British Museum has probably the best collection of the Assyrian ivories, 1200-600 CE from Ancient Nineveh

Elephant tusks were used through out ancient China; in addition walrus tusks were utilised in the north, and hippopotamus tusks in the warm southern regions.
China imported tusks from South East Asia and India. The first Chinese, Shang Dynasty , was already producing animal figures and other items .

Source books

Ivory and its Uses by Benjamin Burack,Tokyo 1984

Handicrafts and Arts in India, Taraporevala

Tamil and Sanskrit Literature

Please read Indian Ivory in Ancient Egypt in the following article:-

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More About Rig Vedic Kings : Nine Interesting Points (Post No.5336)

Research Article Written by London swaminathan

Date: 18 August 2018


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Post No. 5336


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Kings and Queens of Rig Veda

I am just updating my previous post with the following new information:

So far my research has revealed More Interesting Information

1.We have Sumerian and Iranian names in the Rig Veda.

2.Sindhudvipa (name of a seer) is a very interesting name, meaning king of Indus valley . This links Rig Veda with the Indus Valley Civilization. The follow up is in Mahabharata- Jayadratha of Sindhudesa (3100 BCE)

3.Another interesting name is Pratardhana (1380 BCE) . This name is found in Vishnu Sahasranama and Mitanni Civilization (1380 BCE inscription). Mitanni King is not the Rig Vedic king who is very old. But the interesting fact is that the Rig Vedic name has travelled up to Turkey.

4.Revolutionary Naabhananethista is a very interesting name for several reasons; the name itself is strange; more linked to Sumerian sound; another reason is Hindu scriptures say that he revolted against the family and so his father Manu and brothers did not allot him a share in the property; He is like Akhenaten of Egypt. In Sumerian/ Assyria another king with similar name revolted against the formal religion and introduced new god like Akhenaten. So this revolutionary Nabananedisthta needs further research.

  1. I have already discussed Sumuka which is found only in Manu Smrti and Sumerian literature Nowhere else!
  2. Dumuzi/ Sammata/ Fish God mystery is also discussed already (please look at the bottom for links)

7.There is another interesting detail added by P L Bhargava: King’s younger brother and some Vaisyas become Brahmins by becoming Rishis. We see such a thing in Ilanko of Tamil literature and other Puranas.

8.Iranian King Balbhutha figures in the Eighth Mandala of Rig Veda where Camel Dana and Cow Dana are described. The Rig Veda covers a vast area from Iran to Gangetic Plains. It also covers Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey, Mesopotamia (Iraq, Middle Eastern Countries) and China.

9.The word ‘Anasa’ (snub nosed or no nose people) are described in the Rig Veda. They belong to Mongoloid race of China, Tibet, Mongolia etc. Foreigners deliberately invented Aryan- Dravidian division and dubbed ‘Anasa’ as Dravidians and distorted Hindu history. Likewise Dasa/slave is found in Greece as well.


Following is from P L Bhargava Book:–


“Younger brothers of kings became seers ( Rishis)  and they founded Brahmin families.

In Tamil literature we see Ilango, younger brother of mighty Chera king Cheran Senguttuvan, became an ascetic and composed Tamil epic Silppadikaram.

Among early kings, Manu, Saryaata, Puruuruvas, Nahusha, Yayaati and Puuru were hymn makers. Among Aikshvaakus, Maandhaatri, Trasadasyu, Vasumanas, Tryaruna and Sindhudvipa were composers of hymns.

Among Pauravas, Suhotra, Ajamiidha, Pratardana, Mudgala, Kusika, Gaathin, and Sudaas were authors of hymns. Among AanavasSivi and among Yaadavas Viitahavya were makers of hymns.

Among Vaisyas or commoners, there were three well known hymn makers, viz.,Manu Savarni, Naabhaanedishtha, and Vatsapri. They all became Aatreya Brahmins.
Among ladies to whom hymns of the Rig Veda are ascribed the most celebrated were Urvasii, Lopaamudraa, Visvavaaraa, Apaalaa and Ghoshaa. Urvasi was wife of king Puruuruvas and Lopaamudraa was wife of Agastya (This shows Rig Veda knew Vidarbha area. Lopamudra was the princess of Vidarbha; Agastya came to South Tamil Nadu) . They are perhaps the heroines rather than the authors of the hymns ascribed to them. The other three, however, appear to have actually composed the hymns attributed to them. Visvavaaraa and Apaalaa were of the Atreya family. Ghoshaa was the daughter of king Kakshiivant and expressly calls herself a ‘kings daughter ‘.

Source India in the Vedic Age PL Bhargava, Jaipur, 1956



160 Kings in Rig Veda!

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Bharata Dynasty in the Rig-Veda:–


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மனு ஸ்மிருதியில் அதிசயச் செய்திகள்!-Part 1 (Post No.3042)


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Date: 7th    August 2016

Post No. 3042

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உலகின் முதல் சட்டப் புத்தகம் மனு ஸ்மிருதி! இதில் 2685 ஸ்லோகங்கள் உள்ளன. இவர் பல அதிசய விஷயங்களை ச் சொல்லுகிறார். இது சம்ஸ்கிருத மொழியில் இருந்தாலும் தமிழ் உள்பட எல்லா மொழிகளிலும் கிடைக்கின்றது. 1794 ஆம் ஆண்டிலேயே இதை வில்லியம் ஜோன்ஸ் ஆங்கிலத்தில் மொழி பெயர்த்துவிட்டார். தமிழ் இலக்கியமு ம், கல்வெட்டுகளும் மனு ஸ்மிருதியைப் புகழ்ந்து தள்ளுகின்றன. தேரில் மகனை முறை செய்த சோழனுக்கு மனு நீதிச் சோழன் என்று பெயர்! அவ்வளவு புகழ் வாய்ந்த மனு நீதியைப் படிக்காமல், இடைச் செருகலாகச் சொல்லப்பட்ட சில பாக்களைக் கொண்டு, சிலர் அவதூறு கற்பிக்கின்றனர். தமிழில் இதை முழுதும் வாசித்தால் இதன் அருமை பெருமைகள் புரியும்!

9 பேர் இதற்கு விளக்க உரைகள் எழுதியுள்ளனர் என்றால் இதன் பெருமையையும், ஆழ்ந்த பொருளையும் கூறலும் வேண்டுமோ!



அதிசயம் 1 Woman’s mouth is unpolluted!

பெண்களின் வாய் எப்போது சுத்தமாக இருக்கும் என்கிறார் மனு! ஒரு பறவை,  பழத்தைக் கொத்திக் கீழே போட்டால் அது எச்சில் இல்லை; பாலைக் கன்றுக்குட்டி வாய் வைத்துக் குடித்தாலும் அங்கே சுரக்கும் பால் அசுத்தம் இல்லை; ஒரு நாய், தனது வாயை வைத்துக் கடிக்கும் வேட்டை மிருகங்களும் அசுத்தம் இல்லை; அது போல ஒரு பெண்ணின் வாய் எப்போதும் அசுத்தம் அடைவது இல்லை (மனு 5-130)


அதிசயம் 2 Men lived for 400 years!

கிருத யுகத்தில் மனிதன் 400 வயது வரை வாழ்ந்தான். பின்னர் ஒவ்வொரு யுகத்திலும் ஆயுள் ஒவ்வொரு கால் பகுதியை இழந்தது (அதாவது நூறு, நூறு ஆண்டுகளாகக் குறைந்து வந்தது (1-83)

வேறு பல இடங்களில் கலி யுகத்தில் மனிதனின் ஆயுள் 100 என்று மனு பகர்வார்.


திருக்கோவிலூர் ஞானானந்தா, காசி பூதலிங்க சுவாமிகள் முதலானோர் நமது காலத்திலேயே 150 முதல் 300 ஆண்டுகள் வரை வாழ்ந்த அற்புதங்களையும் நினைவு கூறுதல் சாலப் பொருந்தும்.



அதிசயம் 3 Manu lived when Saraswati River flowing for 1000 mile!

ஒரு மனிதனுக்கு பிரம்மஹத்தி விலக (பிராமணனைக் கொன்ற பாவம் விலக), அவன் சரஸ்வதி நதிக் கரையில் நடந்து கொண்டே வேதம் சொல்ல வேண்டும் என்பார் மனு. இதற்கு முன் அவன் 1000 மைல் நடக்க வேண்டும் என்று ஒரு பாட்டில் பகர்வார். ஆக மனு என்பவர் வேத காலத்தில், சரஸ்வதி நதி ஓடிய காலத்தில் இருந்தவர். வேதத்தின் ஒரு சாகை முழுவதையும் மூன்று முறை சொல்லிக் கொண்டு விரத உணவுகளை மட்டும் சாப்பிட வேண்டும் என்றும் இயம்புகிறார்.!(11-78)


ஆங்கிலம் மட்டும் படித்த அரைவேக்காடுகள் மனுவின் காலம் கி.மு இரண்டாம் நூற்றாண்டு என்று செப்புவர். ஆனால் மனு இக்ஷ்வாகுவுக்கும் முந்தியவர் என்று கண்ணன் பகவத் கீதையில் செப்பியதையும் நினைவு கூறுதல் பொருத்தம்!


அதுமட்டுமல்ல பூமிக்கு சர்க்கரையைக் கொண்டு வந்தவர் இக்ஷ்வாகு என்பதையும் சர்க்கரை சிந்து சமவெளியில் கண்டு பிடிக்கப்பட்டதையும்  நான்கு ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன் இங்கு எழுதிய ஆராய்ச்சிக் கட்டுரையில் நிறுவியுள்ளேன்.


உலகின் மிகப் பழைய நூலான ரிக் வேதத்தில் பல மனுக்களின் பெயர்கள் இருப்பதை வேறு ஒரு ஆய்வுக் கட்டுரையில் கூறினேன்.


ஆக மனு என்பவர் மிக, மிகப் பழங்காலத்தில் வாழ்ந்தவர் என்று புலனாகும்.

மங்கட் என்பவர் இவரை கி.மு.5700க்கு முன்னதாக வைக்கிறார்.


சரஸ்வதி நதி மஹாபாரத காலத்திலேயெ வறண்டு போயிருந்ததை மஹாபாரதம் மற்றும் பிராமணங்கள் வாயிலாக நாம் அறிவோம்.


இந்திய அரசியல் சானத்துக்கு பார்லிமெண்ட் நேற்று கொண்டு வந்த அரசியல் சட்டத் திருத்தத்தை வைத்து இந்திய அரசியல் சட்டம் நேற்று தோன்றியது என்று சொன்னால் நம்மை எல்லோரும் இகழ்வாரன்றோ; இதுபோல மனு பற்றி வெளிநாட்டினர் தத்துப் பித்து என்று உளறி இருக்கின்றனர். உண்மையில் மனுவும் சரஸ்வதி நதியும் சிந்து  சமவெளி நாகரீக காலத்தவை அல்லது அதற்கும் முந்தியவை.


அதிசயம் 4 (Sumukan Mystery)

சுமுகன் என்றொரு மன்னனி பெயரை மனு (7-41) குறிப்பிடுகிறார். இந்திய இலக்கியங்களில் இவர் பெயர் இல்லை. ஆனால் சுமேரியாவில் இவர் பெயர் இருக்கிறது. இது குறித்து முன்னரே விரிவாவக ஆய்வுக்கட்டுரை எழுதியுள்ளேன். வேறு எந்த இலக்கியமும் செப்பாத ஒரு விஷயத்தை மனு இயம்புவதிலிரந்தே அவரின் பழமை வெளிப்படும்.


அதிசயம் 5 (Soma Herb)

சோம யாகம் பற்றி மனு பல இடங்களில் பேசுகிறார். சோமலதை எனப்படும் மூலிகையின் விற்பனை, அதற்குள்ள தடைக ளையும் அவர் சொல்லுகிறார். சோம யாகத்துக்கான சோமக் கொடி வேத காலத்திலேயே அருகிவிட்டது. வேத கால இறுதியிலேயே இதற்கான மாற்றுத் தாவரங்களைக் கதைகத் துவங்கிவிட்டனர். ஆகவே வேத காலத்தின் ஆரம்பத்திலேயே மனு தர்ம சாத்திரம் தோன்றியிருத்தல் வேண்டும்.

3-87, 211, 257

4-26, 52

9-129, 11-7 to 12, 255

Sale of Soma – 3-158, 180, 10-80



அதிசயம் 6 No Interpolation!!!

வெளி நாட்டுக்காரர்கள் இந்திய இலக்கியங்களை மட்டம் தட்டுவதில் மன்னர்கள். இந்திய இலக்கியங்கள் எல்லாவற்றிலும் இடைச் செருகல் உண்டு என்று சொல்லி இந்துக்கள் மனதில்,  ஐயப்பாட்டைக் கிளப்பி இந்து  மத தையே ஆட்டம் காணச் செய்ய ஆசைப்பட்டவர்கள். ஆங்கிலம் படித்த நம்மூர் அசட்டுப் பிச்சுகளும் அதை அப்படியே நம்பி மேலும் உளறுவதைக் காணலாம்; வாழ்நாளில் 700 கீதை ஸ்லோககளை ஒரு முறை கூடப் படிக்காமல், கீதை பற்றி கேள்வி மட்டும் கேட்பர்! விநோதப் பிறவிகள்!!


இப்படிப்பட்ட வெளிநாட்டினர், மனு தர்ம சாத்திரத்தில் மட்டும் இடைச் செருகல் பற்றிக் கதைப்பதே இல்லை. ரிக்வேதத்தில் கிலம் (பிற்சேர்க்கை), தொல்காப்பியத்தில் பொருளதிகாரம் பிற்சேர்க்கை, சங்க இலக்கியத்தில் கலித்தொகை, பரிபாடல் எல்லாம் பிற்சேர்க்கை என்று கதைக்கும் மாக்கள், மனு தர்ம சாத்திரம் பற்றி வாயே திறக்கா!. இதை அப்படியே எடுத்துக் கொண்டால்தான் சூத்திரர்கள் பற்றிய பகுதிகளை எடுத்துக்காட்டி இந்து மதத்தை அழிக்கலாம் என்று நம்பினர் அந்தப் பேதைகள்.


உண்மையில்; சூத்திரருக்கு எதிரான பகுதிகள் சுங்க வம்ச பிராமணர் ஆட்சிக்காலத்தில் இடை யில் செருகப்பட்டவை.


இதற்கு என்ன ஆதாரம்?


கீழ்ஜாதிப் பெண்ணான, வசிட்டரின் மனிவியான அருந்ததியைப் புகழும் மனு, எல்லா ஜாதிகளிலும் உள்ள ரத்தினம் போன்ற பெண்களைக் கல்யாணம் செய்யலாம் என்பார். அது மட்டுமல்ல கீழ் ஜாதியில் படித்தவன் இருந்தால் அவனிடம் போய்க் கற்று அவனுக்கு குருவுக்குரிய மரியாதை செய்க என்கிறார்.


உலகில் பெண்களை மனு புகழ்ந்த மாதிரி எந்த நாட்டு இலக்கியத்திலும் பெண்கள் புகழப்பட்டதை இன்று வரை காண முடியாது! ஆனால் பெண்களுக்கு எதிரான சில ஸ்லோகங்கள் இடைச் செருகலாக சொருகப்பட்டுள்ளன. இத்தகைய முரண்பாடுகளே மனு தர்ம சாத்திரத்தில் இடைச் செருகல் உண்டு எனக்காட்டி நிற்கின்றன. ஆனால் வெளிநாட்டு ‘அறிஞர்கள்’ மனுதர்மத்தில் மட்டும் இடைச் செருகல் பற்றிப் பேசவே இல்லை. இது உலக மஹா அதிசயம்! ராமாயணத்திலும் மஹா பாரதத்திலும் கூட இடைச் செருகல் உண்டு என்று சொல்லும் இந்த “யோக்கியர்கள்” மனுவில் மட்டும் எல்லாவற்றையும் அப்படியே எடுத்துக் கொண்டு தாக்குவர்.

திராவிடக் கோமளிகள் திருக்குறளையே முழுதும் படிப்பதில்லை. மனுவையா படிக்கும்?


அதிசயம் 7 (Water Origin of Life on earth)


கடவுள் முதலில் தண்ணீரைப் படைத்தார் என்றும், உயிரினங்களைப் படைக்க எண்ணிய அவர்,  தண்ணீரில் தனது விந்துவை விட்டார் என்றும் அது பெரிய தங்க முட்டையாகி அதில் பிரம்மா தொன்றினார் என்றும் மனு கூறுவார். ( 1- 8 முதல் 10 வரை).


உலகில் தண்ணீர் தோன்றிய பின்னரே உயிரினம் தோன்றின என்ற விஞ்ஞான உண்மையும், தண்ணீரில் முதல் உயிர் தோன்றியது என்ற விஞ்ஞான உண்மையும், உலகம் முழுதும் கோள வடிவமானது (முட்டை) என்ற விஞ்ஞான உண்மையும் மனுவின் ஸ்லோகங்களில் பொதிந்து கிடப்பதை சொல்லத் தேவை இல்லை.




Please read my earlier posts:–

Mystery of Manu: Rig Veda Mystery No.8, posted on 19 January 2015


The Sugarcane Mystery: Indus Valley and Ikshvaku Dynasty, posted on 19 November 2011


Sanskrit words in Sumerian Culture: Sumukan Mystery, posted on 12 May 2014)




What is Agni Cayana? 10,800 Bricks in Five Layers!! (Post No.3029)

yaha kunda

Research Article written by london swaminathan

Date: 2nd  August 2016

Post No. 3029

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Vedic Hindus were great mathematicians. Even in the construction of Yaga kundas (Fire Altars for sacrifice) they used geometry. They wanted mathematical precision even in Fire sacrifices. Probably this is the reason Egyptians borrowed Hindu knowledge for constructing the Pyramids or actually imported Hindus for the construction (Please read my article ‘Did Indians build Egyptian Pyramids?’)


“Agni Cayana is a rite of piling the fire altar, included in Soma sacrifices, in five layers with bricks, on the uttaravedi for setting up the Ahavaniya; it is represented in the Satapata Brahmana as a human imitation of the cosmic world of the Prajapati.


The heads of five animals are built up into the altar, and the trunks are thrown into water. Bricks of the altar are prepared with this water. Anthill clay is mixed with the earth of a pit. The first brick is prepared by the sacrificer’s wife. The sacrifice prepares a fire pan and three bricks. There after other bricks are made and burnt.


After the diksha the building of the altar begins. The altar may be of several shapes e.g. suparna (eagle), syena (hawk), drone (trough). The bricks have different shapes: traiangular, oblong, square etc. the bricks are given different names. They are laid accompanied with mantras, and in a definite pattern, for which a knowledge of geometry is required.


Of the five layers, the first, third and fifth layers are of the same pattern, while the second and the fourth follow a different pattern. The ground on which the altar is erected is measured with a rope and ploughed.


At the lowest level a golden figure of a man is placed. The total number of bricks for all the five layers is 10,800; each layer is covered with thick mud.


A living tortoise is placed on a layer. Various other materials, e.g. mortar, pestle, pan, winnowing basket are placed in different positions.


The time taken for piling varies from 8th months to 12 months or five consecutive days.


The main authority on the rite is Satapata Brahmana which devotes five out of 14 kandas – more than one third of the book”.

–source: A Dictionary of Vedic Rituals


Tamil Mystery solved!

My comments: There is a verse in Sangam Tamil literature (Akananuru verse 361) where a simile about a tortoise is not explained by any one Tamil commentator correctly. After reading the above passage of placing a live tortoise on a layer, we know what the simile is about. Akananuru is a book which deals with family life and sex and so a simile about fire sacrifice and a tortoise going out of the fire altar to a cool pond has been a puzzle! Now it is solved!

Hermann's tortoise shutterstock_78129739

The reason for the poet to use such a simile in a lover’s song is the lover is compared to the tortoise and the arid area he was travelling was compared with the fire altar. The cool pond is his wife/lady love.


From this simile we come to know another thing, i.e. the tortoise is allowed to go free. It was not sacrificed in the fire. Otherwise the poet would not have used it in this context. It elucidates another thing as well. 2000 years ago all these fire sacrifices were a common place in the Tamil speaking world. Otherwise the poet wound not have used it in a lover’s song.


There is more significance to this Agnicayana rite. The Indus valley civilization used more bricks than any other civilization that too in a geometrical pattern. The Indus city streets and drainages were constructed in an orderly pattern. This shows the people who constructed mathematical fire altars and the buildings in the Indus cities were the same people. Already we have another proof in the Indus bull seals. The cow is praised sky high in the Vedas and the Bulls are shown more in the Indus seals, but the cow is completely absent. It has been a great mystery. Probably cow is considered holy and so the cow was not used in any images in the Indus- Saraswati valley civilization. This is another proof to show that the Vedic Hindus were the one who lived in the Indus-Saraswati valley.


10,800 has a great significance from the Vedic days until today. 1008 (Sahasranama) for every Hindu god is used in the temples. 108 (Ashtottara sata) names is used in houses for pujas. Added together it gives number 9 that has got lot of magical properties (please see my earlier article on this subject).

A lot of Vedic rituals are not explained or understood properly today. Unfortunately, we have very few scholars now to explain them correctly. Most of us read or have access only to the rubbish commentaries written by foreigners. I will try to unravel the Vedic secrets as far as possible.



இந்தப் பூவுலகில் யாராலும் வேதங்களின் காலத்தை சொல்லமுடியாது: மாக்ஸ்முல்லர்

சிந்துவெளி ஆண் மிருகங்கள்

சிந்து வெளி முத்திரைகளில்,  ஆண் மிருகங்களின்  ஆதிக்கம்

Compiled by London swaminathan

Article No.1902; Dated 1 June 2015.

Uploaded at London time: 9-23 am

தொன்று நிகழ்ந்தது அனைத்தும் உணர்ந்திடும்

சூழ்கலை வாணர்களும் — இவள்

என்று பிறந்தவள் என்றுணராத

இயல்பினளாம் எங்கள் தாய்.


நாவினில் வேதம் உடையவள் கையில்

நலந்திகழ் வாளுடையாள் – தனை

மேவினர்க்கு இன்னருள் செய்பவள் தீயரை

வீழ்த்திடும் தோளுடையாள். –பாரதியார்


பாரத அன்னையைப் புகழ்ந்த பாரதியார், உடனே அவள் நாவினில் வேதம் உடையவள் என்று சொல்லி, பாரதம் எவ்வளவு பழமையானதோ, அவ்வளவு பழமையானது வேதமும் என்பதை உறுதிபடக் கூறுகிறார்.

எக்காலத்தும் இந்தியாவுக்கே வராமல், இங்கிலாந்தில் இருந்துகொண்டே வேதத்தை மொழிபெயர்த்த ஜெர்மானியர் மாக்ஸ் முல்லர், வேதங்களின் காலம் கி.மு.1200–க்கு முன்னதாக இருக்கலாம் என்று சொன்னார். உடனே அதை எதிர்த்து அறிஞர் உலகம் போர்க்கொடி உயர்த்தியது. இப்படி போர்க்கொடி உயர்த்தியவர்களும் மேலை நாட்டவரே! வில்சன், பார்த்தலேமி, செயின்ட் ஹில்லேர், விட்னி, கோல்ட்ஸ்டக்கர் (Wilson, Barthelemy, St.Hillaire, Whitney, Goldstucker)

போன்றோர் மாக்ஸ் முல்லர் கருத்தை ஏற்கவில்லை. உடனே மாக்ஸ்முல்லர் ஜகா வாங்கினார். அறிஞர்கள் அனைவர் சொல்லுவதையும் நான் அப்படியே ஏற்கிறேன். நான் கி.மு.1200–க்கும் கீழாக யாரும் வேதத்தைக் கொண்டுவரக்கூடாது என்று சொன்னேனே தவிர, அதுதான் வேதத்தின் காலம் என்று சொல்லவில்லை என்றார்.

ரிக் வேதத்தில் இருக்கும்  வான சாத்திரக் குறிப்புகளைக் கொண்டு, மாக்ஸ் முல்லருக்கு நீண்ட நெடுங்காலம் முன்னரே ஆராய்ச்சி மேற்கொண்ட, இந்திய சுதந்திரப் போராட்ட வீரர் திலகரும், ஜெர்மன் அறிஞர் ஜாகோபியும் (Tilak 1904, Jacobi 1894) வேத காலத்தை கி. மு 4000 என்று காட்டினர்.


Max Muller:–

I need hardly say that I agree with every word of my critics. I have repeatedly dwelt on the hypothetical character of the dates., which I ventured to assign to the first periods of Vedic literature; all I have claimed for them has been that they are the minimum dates………………

If now we ask how we can fix the dates of these three periods, it is quite clear that we cannot hope to fix a terminum a qua. Whether the Vedic hymns were composed 1000 or  1500 or  2000 or 3000 years BC, NO POWER ON EARTH WILL EVER DETERMINE” (Max Muller 1890)

ஆனால் ஆரிய-திராவிட இனவெறிக் கொள்கையைப் பின்பற்றுவோர், ஆரியர்கள் வந்து, கறுப்புத் தோலுடைய பூர்வ குடிமக்களை விரட்டி விட்டதாக நீண்ட நெடுங்காலமாகப் பிரசாரம் செய்துவந்தனர். இந்தப் பிரசாரம் 200 வருடங்கள் நடந்தபின்னர் 1920 ஆம் ஆண்டுக்குப் பின், சிந்து வெளியில் இரண்டு நகரங்கள் கண்டுபிடிக்கப்பட்டன. “வேதாளம் மீண்டும் முருங்கை மரத்தில் ஏறியது”. பார்த்தீர்களா, நாங்கள் அன்றே சொன்னோம். ஆரியர்கள் வந்து இந்த மக்களை விரட்டினார்கள் என்று. இது உண்மையானது என்பதற்கு சான்று கிடைத்துவிட்டது என்றனர். ஆக மீண்டும் எல்லோரும் வேதத்தின் காலம் கி.மு. 1200 என்று எழுதத் துவங்கினர். இப்பொழுது இது எல்லாம் பொய்யாய் பழங்கதையாய்ப் போய்விட்டது.


சிந்து சமவெளியில் ஒரு திராவிடர் எலும்புக்கூடு கூட கிடைக்கவில்லை! கிடைத்தது எல்லாம் ஆரிய எலும்புக்கூடுகளே. அதுவரை ஆகாசத்துக்கும் பூமிக்கும் குதித்தவர்கள் எலும்புக்கூடு விஷயத்தில் கப்புச்சிப்பு என்று வாய் மூடி மௌனம் ஆகிவிட்டனர். கிடைத்த எலும்புக்கூடுகள் எல்லாம் பஞ்சாபியரை போல அந்த இடத்து மக்களின் உடல் ஆகிருதி உடையவர்கள். வேறு சிலவும் உண்டு. ஆனால் திராவிடம் இல்லை. கிடைத்த எலும்புக்கூடுகளும் மிகச் சில. ஆரியர்கள் படுகொலை நடத்தியிருந்தால். பல்லாயிரம் திராவிட எலும்புக்கூடுகள் இருக்க வேண்டுமே என்று யாரவது ஒரு சிலர் கேட்டு விடப் போகிறார்களே என்று எண்ணி, திராவிடர்கள், பயந்துகொண்டு 3000 மைல்களுக்கு ஓடிப் போய் தமிழ் நாட்டில் உகார்ந்து கொண்டனர் என்று சொல்லி திராவிடர்களுக்கு அதி பயங்கரக் கோழை என்று பட்டமும் சூட்டினர்.

சிந்து சமவெளிப் பகுதியில் ஆராய்சி நடத்திய ஜான் மார்ஷல் போன்றவர்களை ஆராய்ச்சியாளர்கள் என்று சொல்லுவதா, மதப் பிரசாரகர்கள் என்று சொல்லுவதா என்று கூட எண்ணத் தோன்றுகிறது ஆராய்ச்சியாளர்கள் யாரும் 30 எலும்புக்கூடுகளைப் பார்த்துவிட்டு இந்திரன் குற்றவாளி என்று சொல்லமாட்டார்கள். ஒரு ஆரய்ச்சியளனுக்குள்ள மனப் பக்குவம் இல்லாத இனவெறியன் என்பது இதன் மூலம் சொல்லாமலே விளங்கும்!

vedic fire altar.chattisgarh

வேத யாக குண்டம், சட்டிஷ்கர்

மேலும் இப்பொழுது சிந்துவெளி முத்திரைகளில் காணப்படும் மர்மச் சின்னம் சோம ரசம் வடிகட்டும் பாத்திரம் என்றும் ஆராய்ச்சியாளர்கள் ஒப்புக் கொள்கின்றனர். இதுவரை சிறிதும் பெரிதுமாக 2000 சிந்து வெளி நகர, கிராமங்கள் கண்டுபிடிக்கப்பட்டு விட்டன. மேலும் சரஸ்வதி நதியின் காலமும் அது மறைந்த காலமும் தெரிந்துவிட்டதால், வேதங்களின் பழமையும் குறைந்தது கி.மு 1700 என்று இந்துமத எதிரிகளும் ஒப்புக்கொள்ளத் துவங்கி விட்டனர்.

மொஹஞ்சதாரோ ஹரப்பாவில் பெரிய அகலமான மதில் சுவர்கள் கி.மு 2000 வாக்கிலேயே உள்ளன. இவர்கள் யாரைக் கண்டு பயந்து கி.மு 2000 வாக்கில் அவ்வளவு பெரிய மதில் சுவர்களை எழுப்பினர்? ஒரு வேளை சேர, சோழ, பாண்டியர்கள் 1800 ஆண்டுகளுக்குத் தொடர்ந்து மோதிக் கொண்டது போல ஹரப்பாவும், மொஹஞ்சதாரோவும் சண்டை போட்டார்களா?

மேலும் காலிபங்கன், லோதல், டோலவீரா முதலிய பல இடங்களில் யாக குண்டங்கள், கருகிய ஹோம சாம்பல் ஆகியனவும் கிடைத்திருக்கின்றன.

எல்லா இடங்களிலும் ஏன் முத்திரைகள் கிடைக்கவில்லை? கிடைத்த எல்லா முத்திரைகளிலும் மிருகங்களின் ஆண் வகை மட்டும் காணப்படுகிறதே? இவர்கள் பெண்களை எதிர்க்கும் அல்லது மட்டம் தட்டும் கும்பலா? ஆயிரத்துக்கும் அதிகமான சின்னங்களில் காளைச் சின்னத்தைப் பொறித்த மக்கள் ஏன் பசுமாட்டைப் பொறிக்கவில்லை? ஒருவேளை புனிதச் சின்னம் என்பதால் பசுவை விட்டு விட்டனரா? குதிரை எலும்புகள் கிடைத்தபோது மட்டும் அது மேல் மட்டத்தில் கிடைத்தது என்று சொல்லிவிட்டு, முழு ஒட்டக எலும்புக்கூடு கிடைதது பற்றி மௌனம் சாதிப்பது ஏன்? இப்படிப் பல கேள்விகள் எழுந்து கொண்டே இருக்கின்றன.

ஒட்டுமொத்த முடிவுரை:

1அங்கு வாழ்ந்தவர்கள் ஆரியர்களும் இல்லை, திராவிடர்களும் இல்லை. வேதகால இந்துக்கள்.

2.அவர்களில் இப்பொழுது இந்து மதத்தில் இருப்பது போலவே பலதரப்பட்ட மக்கள் இருந்தனர். சிலர் கிராமதேவதைகளை வழிபடுவது போல பெண் தெய்வங்களையும் மற்றும் பலர் ஆண் தெய்வங்களையும் வணங்கினர்.

3.ஒர்புறம் கந்தர்வர்கள் ஆதிக்கம் இருந்ததால் இசை, நடனம் ஆகியன வளர்ந்தன.

4.உலகிலுள்ள எல்லா பழைய நாகரீகங்களிலும் பெரிய கோவில்கள்/ வழிபாட்டு இடங்கள் இருக்கின்றன. ஆனால் சிந்து வெளியில் அப்படி இல்லை. ஆகவே அது வேத காலத்தை ஒட்டிய– பெரிய கோவில்கள் இல்லாத நாகரீகமே

5.ஹரப்பா நகரத்தில் பல இன மக்கள் வசித்தது குறித்து 2013-ல் நேஷனல் ஜியாக்ரபிக் மேகஸின் ஒரு ஆரய்ச்சிக் கட்டுரையையும் வெளியிட்டு இருக்கிறது.