Manu in Tirukkural: More Couplets Compared by Rev.G U Pope (Post No.4467)

Manu in Tirukkural: More Couplets Compared by Rev.G U Pope (Post No.4467)


Compiled by London Swaminathan 

 

Date: 7 DECEMBER 2017 

 

Time uploaded in London-  8–33 am

 

 

Post No. 4467

Pictures shown here are taken from various sources such as Facebook friends, Books, Google and newspapers; thanks.

 

 

I have given below the links for the first two articles in this series: Comparison of Manu Smrti with Tamil Veda Tirukkural by Rev G U Pope (Christian Priest and Tamil Scholar of the last century)

 

There are more couplets given below:

 

 

1.Offending Kings and Saints

 

Tiru Valluvar in the Tamil Veda Tirukkural says

If those of rigorous penance become enraged, even Indra will crash from power and position –(Kural 899)

(Nahusan- Agastya episode mentioned by both valluvar and Manu)

Should they who stand as high as the hills look with disfavour, even men of firm standing in the world perish with all their race (Kural 898)

Manu in his Manava Dharma Shastra says

 

7-39. Let him, though he may already be modest, constantly learn modesty from them; for a king who is modest never perishes.

7-40. Through a want of modesty many kings have perished, together with their belongings; through modesty even hermits in the forest have gained kingdoms.

7-41. Through a want of humility Vena perished, likewise king Nahusha, Sudas, the son of Pigavana, Sumukha, and Nemi.

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2.Gambling

Tiruvalluvar has done 10 couplets on the evils of Gambling

Gambling ruins a man’s fortune, makes him resort to falsehood, deprives him of grace and lands him misery (Kural 938)

 

Manu says,

2-179. From gambling, idle disputes, backbiting, and lying, from looking at and touching women, and from hurting others.( these come under the list of whan man should avoid)

Tamil poetess Avvaiyar says ‘Suuthum vaathum vedhanai seyyum’ (Gaming and Disputation bring distress)

 

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3.Ministers

 

Valluvar says,

The right minister judges the right means, season and method of action for a rare adventure (Kural 631)

The ideal minister is learned, manly,firm, resolute and zealous in guarding people’s welfare (Kural 632)

The able minister cherishes friends, disunites foes, and reunites those who had parted (633)

The minister comprehends a plan, reflects, selects the best method and gives one assuring fact (634)

Manu says

7-58. But with the most distinguished among them all, a learned Brahmana, let the king deliberate on the most important affairs which relate to the six measures of royal policy.- Manu 7-58

 

 

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4.Nation:-

Tiru Valluvar defines a good country in ten couplets (731-740)

 

That is a country which is desired for its great wealth and which yields rich produce free from blights (Kural 732)

 

That is a country which is free from starvation , from incurable diseases, and from enemies that are dangerous (734)

 

Five are the ornaments of a country: blooming health, wealth, rich yields, happiness, defensive forces (738)

 

7-69. Let him settle in a country which is open and has a dry climate, where grain is abundant, which is chiefly (inhabited) by cultured people, not subject to epidemic diseases (or similar troubles), and pleasant, where the vassals are obedient and his own (people easily) find their livelihood Manu 7-69

 

5.Fortification

 

Tiru Valluvar says,

Even to the powerful, a fortress is of value; it is of value even to them that want to defend themselves in fear (Kural 741)

A good fort has crystal fountains, sandy plains,  a hill and a shade of thick woods. These make it impregnable (742)

Military science says that an unconquerable fort must be high, broad, strong and impregnable (743)

A fort must be so strong that foes cannot storm it. It must stock food and it must suit the garrison (745)

Valluvar adds six more couplets under this topic.

 

 

Manu says in the Seventh chapter of Manu Smrti

7-70. Let him build (there) a town, making for his safety a fortress, protected by a desert, or a fortress built of (stone and) earth, or one protected by water or trees, or one (formed by an encampment of armed) men or a hill-fort.

  1. Let him make every effort to secure a hill-fort, for amongst all those (fortresses mentioned) a hill-fort is distinguished by many superior qualities.
  2. The first three of those (various kinds of fortresses) are inhabited by wild beasts, animals living in holes and aquatic animals, the last three by monkeys, men, and gods respectively.
  3. As enemies do not hurt these (beings, when they are) sheltered by (their) fortresses, even so foes (can) not injure a king who has taken refuge in his fort.
  4. One bowman, placed on a rampart, is a match in battle for one hundred (foes), one hundred for ten thousand; hence it is prescribed (in the Sastras that a king will possess) a fortress.
  5. Let that (fort) be well supplied with weapons, money, grain and beasts of burden, with Brahmanas, with artisans, with engines, with fodder, and with water.
  6. Let him cause to be built for himself, in the centre of it, a spacious palace, (well) protected, habitable in every season, resplendent (with whitewash), supplied with water and trees.

Dr G U Pope compared this description with the fort of Shivaji Mharaj.

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6.Bhagawan

G U Pope has even noticed the word Bhagavan (god) occurred in the very first couplet of Tiru Valluvar and the first six slokas of Manu!

More articles on Manu and Tirukkural

MARRIAGE – TWO OPPOSSING TAMIL VIEWS (Post No.4462) | Tamil …

https://tamilandvedas.com/…/marriage-two-oppossing-tamil-views-…

 

9 hours ago – Post No4462. Pictures shown here are taken from various sources such as Facebook friends, Books, Google and newspapers; thanks. (Tamil Joke: Husband:While I read my love … Dr G U Pope compared couplet 41 with Manu’s 3-78 and showed Naladiyar, the poems of Jains were opposed to marriage.

 

 

Tamil Literature | Tamil and Vedas

https://tamilandvedas.com/category/tamil-literature/

 

MANU IN TAMIL VEDA TIRUKKURALRev GU Pope and Father Beschi compare -1 ( Post No.4459). MANU … RevG U Pope, a Tamil scholar and Christian preacher published The Sacred Kural of Tiruvalluva Nayanar in 1886 with his English translation. Throughout the book he had used his predecessors’ views. He had .

 

 

xxx  SUBHAM xxx

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