STARS SHOW INDIA’S  LINK WITH GREECE AND IRAN IN VEDIC PERIOD (Post No.10,722)

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Post No. 10,722

Date uploaded in London – –    7 MARCH   2022         

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Hindus must understand the mentality of foreign “scholars”; they are Yatudhanas; Yatudhanas are demons who can take ‘different shapes’ according to Rig Veda and Valmiki Ramayana. If they find something similar in two places, first they will look at the date or period of those two things, then they will say, Look Greek has this word; So, Hindus borrowed it. If they find the word in Rig Veda first and later Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey, then they will say, Look, all of us lived in Central Asia at one time and then you, Aryans (Hindus) entered India via Khyber Pass and we went to Greece.

This migration matter is not found anywhere in Sanskrit or Tamil literature. Both say we are the sons of the soil.

Another trick, the gangs follow is, they will say ‘Sayana said it’, ‘Kumarila Bhatta said It’,  but cunningly put capital A for aryas and capital D for dravidians as if they are two separate races. It is also not in Tamil or Sanskrit literature. They used ARYA to say the Rishis in Himalayas or the language of the Rishis with due respect.

When Sita addressed Rama as Arya!, we know it is ‘Respectful Sir’. When the greatest Tamil poet Bharatiyar used Arya throughout his poems, we know it is a respectful term. So for at least 2000 years in Tamil , ‘ARYA’ is not a racial term. But Max Muller gangs and Caldwell gangs abused and misused the words.

Caldwell did not know anything about the vast and rich Sanskrit literature; so all the Tamil publications add a footnote in his book (Caldwell is wrong; he did not have any knowledge in this field).

The third trick, foreign “scholars”;  particularly linguistic“scholars”  use is, suddenly they quote dateless, period less, unrecognised sources, ‘Look it is a word from Munda language’. Mundas don’t have anything in writing; they have no literature, and they have no script. They might have come in the last few hundred years. And we know all languages change in course of time.

How do we know that foreigners are bluffing or fooling us? One must have a vast knowledge about Hindu scriptures. One must know Tamil Sangam literature; one must know the Sanskrit inscriptions from 1400 BCE at Bogazkoy in Turkey to second century CE Srimaran inscription in Vietnam (Champa); One must know the Dasaratha letters in Egypt and the 4th century CE Sanskrit inscription of Mulavarman in the so called ‘virgin forests’ of Borneo, part of Indonesia.

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Now let us look at one example.

No one could miss the beautiful Seven Stars in the northern sky. The constellation is called Saptarishi Mandala in Hindu books and Ursa Major (Great Bear in Latin) in Rome and Greece.

The same constellation is called Hippopotamus in Egypt and Seven Oxen in Latin. It is also known as Charles’s Wain (Wagon= Sanskrit Vahana) in Mesopotamia

Read the Etymoonline Description at the end (It shows they have no knowledge about Tamil Poems and Sanskrit Rig Veda)

Tamils not only knew about it but also worshipped it 2000 years ago (See Narrinai verse 231 by Ilanaganar)

The Sapta Rishis are in the Rig Veda which is dated between 1500 BCE and 6000 BCE. Later we find it in Homer’s Iliad dated 800 BCE. Both Hindus and Greeks have one strange story about BEARS becoming RISHIS.

Satapata Brahmana, which is also dated 8th Century BCE have the following story:

“The Krittikas-  Pleiades- are  Agni’s  Naksatra. Other Naksatras have one, two, three or four stars, but they have the most (six) stars; and they do not wander away from the eastern region, whereas all the other Naksatras do wander from the eastern region. They were formerly the wives of  Bears , for indeed, the Seven  Rishis were in earlier times called the bears; but they were prevented from having intercourse, since the  Seven  Rishis rise in the north while they rise in the east”.

We see the word rksas/ bear in the Rigveda for stars as well 1-24-10

Sayana’s commentary says the rksas/bears in this hymn are indeed seven rsis .

Homer in his Iliad 18.487 and Odyssey 5-273 also refers to these stars as Bear, in Greek ‘Arktos’ ( in Latin ‘Ursa’).

Now we have to see who borrowed it from whom. We have Bear as Star even in Rig Veda which is dated well before Homer’s Iliad. Satapata Brahmana gives lot of symbolic stories, strange etymologies for many other things as well.

Moreover, unlike other cultures, Hindus are the only one who treat all the seven stars as one group. It is even in Bhumi Sukta of Atharva Veda, older than Satapata Brahmana. More over Hindus from Kashmir to Kanyakumari worship the seven stars even today from Vedic days. Even 2000 year old Tamil literature refers to it ‘The Worshipful Seven Stars ‘in Narrinai poem. The seven stars are part and parcel of Hindu life; on the wedding day night husband and wife should see Arundhati, the double star system in the Ursa Major. That double star is mentioned even in Tirukkural (as Alakai- Ghost- Alcol in Arabic).

So we know it is evolved in Hindu world and travelled to Western world. Is it possible? Yes we have proof; The horse of Rig Veda is seen only around 1500 BCE in Egypt. Pharaohs married Hindu women from Turkey and the Dasaratha Letters (also known as Amarna letters) prove it. Above all the Sanskrit numerals are in Avestan Gathas and Kikkuli’s Horse Manual in 1300 BCE. So we see very clear westward march of Hindus and Homer comes several hundred years after this.

Even Satapata Brahmana is placed around 3000 BCE on the basis of astronomical references in the work. Westerners’ argument of Eastward migration is proved wrong by another factor as well. According to them Satapata Brahmana and Homer’s Iliad are from 8th century BCE. Why then it is not same in Rig Veda and Atharva Veda. So Greeks borrowed it from us.

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Another Strange Coincidence in Mesopotamia

Khotanese term ‘hauda richa’ also coincides with Sapta Rishi. That shows they borrowed it from the Vedas. All these are dated after Vedas.

In one Rig Vedic hymn they are also called Uksan/Oxen

RV 3-7-7

In Mesopotamia the seven stars were known as chariot or wain. Wain is a Sanskrit word for Vahan. Homer used the term chariot as well for the same stars. This also shows it travelled from Middle East to Greece along with our idea of Seven Rishis/Bears.

Rsi and Rksa are word play for Sanskritwallas. We see lot of word plays, puns etc in Vedas and Brahmanas.

They named North and South with prominent visible stars in the direction. If they say Agastya (Canopus) it is South. If they say Sapta Rishis, it is North. Latin also use septentriones/ Seven Oxen for North. Latin and Greek came several hundred years after Sanskrit.

So we see very clear westward movement of culture, languages, ideas etc.

Even when we put Rig Veda in 1500 BCE, we see a big time gap of 700 year with Homer. If we put Rig Veda in 2000 BCE like Wilson or 4000- 6000 BCE like Herman Jacobi and B G Tilak, the time gap will be bigger.

One must not forget Seven Rishis, Seven Bears, Seven Oxen are in the Vedas, while one or two of these are found very late in Greek or Latin.

Satapata Brahmana 3000 BCE

The Vedic seers changed the names from Rksa to Sapta Rishis is reported in Satapata Brahmana (2-1-2-4). It is dated as 3000 BCE by great scholar S B Dixit. He showed the evidence in the Satapata Brahmana that “Krittikas (Pleiades) do not move from the East” shows the condition of sky in 3000 BCE

All the westerners deliberately ignore the astronomical references in the Vedas, which show very early dates.

Conclusion

Homer copied the idea or the matter about  Seven Stars from the Hindus. The Vedic ideas moved in different directions. From 1500 BCE we see Hinduism in Egypt. From 1000 BCE we see Hindu ideas in Iran; From at least 800 BCE we see them in Greece. From Greece it spread throughout Europe.

–subham—

Attachment from etymoonline

Charles’s Wain (n.)

Old English Carles wægn, a star-group associated in medieval times with Charlemagne, but originally with the nearby bright star Arcturus, which is linked by folk etymology to Latin Arturus “Arthur.” Which places the seven-star asterism at the crux of the legendary association (or confusion) of Arthur and Charlemagne. Evidence from Dutch (cited in Grimm, “Teutonic Mythology”) suggests that it might originally have been Woden’s wagon. More recent names for it are the Plough (by 15c., chiefly British) and the Dipper (1833, chiefly American).

It is called “the Wagon” in a Mesopotamian text from 1700 B.C.E., and it is mentioned in the Biblical Book of Job. The seven bright stars in the modern constellation Ursa Major have borne a dual identity in Western history at least since Homer’s time, being seen as both a wagon and a bear: as in Latin plaustrum “freight-wagon, ox cart” and arctos “bear,” both used of the seven-star pattern, as were equivalent Greek amaxa (Attic hamaxa) and arktos.

The identification with a wagon is easy to see, with four stars as the body and three as the pole. The identification with a bear is more difficult, as the figure has a tail longer than its body. As Allen writes, “The conformation of the seven stars in no way resembles the animal,–indeed the contrary ….” But he suggests the identification “may have arisen from Aristotle’s idea that its prototype was the only creature that dared invade the frozen north.” The seven stars never were below the horizon in the latitude of the Mediterranean in Homeric and classical times (though not today, due to precession of the equinoxes). See also arctic for the identification of the bear and the north in classical times.

A variety of French and English sources from the early colonial period independently note that many native North American tribes in the northeast had long seen the seven-star group as a bear tracked by three hunters (or a hunter and his two dogs).

Among the Teutonic peoples, it seems to have been only a wagon, not a bear. A 10c. Anglo-Saxon astronomy manual uses the Greek-derived Aretos, but mentions that “unlearned men” call it “Charles’s Wain”:

Arheton hatte an tungol on norð dæle, se haefð seofon steorran, & is for ði oþrum naman ge-hatan septemtrio, þone hatað læwede meon carles-wæn. [“Anglo-Saxon Manual of Astronomy”] 

[Septemtrio, the seven oxen, was yet another Roman name.] The star picture was not surely identified as a bear in English before late 14c.

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Rishi, Bear, Sapta Rishi, Rksa, Ursa Major, Homer, Satapata Brahmana, Tamil Narrinai 

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