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Please accept my namaskarams. Many thanks for your detailed reply. I bought your book on Tamil words in Rg Veda. It is really wonderful and contains lot of valuable information. Many thanks for your great service to Tamil and hinduism, 

Regarding the books written by Sri Lakshminarayanan, both the numbers you gave seem to be old numbers. So could not use them. I will try in the book shops you said. 

I have a question in the book you wrote. You have mentioned how Vedic truths are mentioned in Tamil texts. We have Sanskrit words used in Tamil ancient literature, In the same way, are Tamil words used in Sanskrit literature?  Any references for this will be the same. 

And regarding Tholkappiar, I got the below verses from Bhogar 7000 shared by Dr Jayashree Saranathan explaining that Tholkappiar(Thrunadhoomagni) is son of Jamadagni (or from Jamadgni’s lineage). 

Verse 5948.
கூறினார் இன்னமொரு குறிப்பைக்கேளு கூரான புலிப்பாணி மைந்தாபாரு
மீறியதோர் திரணாக்கிய முனிவரப்பா மிக்கான பிறந்ததொரு வண்மைசொல்வேன்
ஆறுபுடை திங்களாம் புரட்டாசியப்பா வப்பனே திருவாரிரை ரெண்டாம்பாதம்
வீறுபுகழ் சாத்திரத்தை மனதிலுன்னி விருப்பமுடன் பாடிவைத்தார் நூலிதாமே

Verse 5949.
நூலான மார்க்கமது யாதென்றாக்கால் நுணுக்கமுடன் ஜெமதக்னி பெற்றபாலன்
கோலான குறத்தியிட சற்புத்திரந்தான் குறிப்பான பிரதிலோமன் என்னலாகும்
பாலான மார்க்கமது யாதென்றாக்கால் பட்சமுடன் சொல்லுகிறேன் பண்பாய்க்கேளு
காலான புலிப்பாணி மைந்தாபாரு கசடற்ற புத்திரனே புகல்வேன்பாரே

L.H,  9th August 2022


Answer to your Question

Dear L.H.

Dr Jayashree Saranathan is very much reliable. She does not write anything without proof or evidence.. But the quoted Bogar’s 7000 belongs to very late period. . I say this by looking at the language of the verse. All Sidhdhars are placed after 8th or 9th century.. But Tolkappiar alias Trunadumagni is placed in first century BCE or first century CE. I place him around 500 CE on the basis of third Adhikaram that is Porul Adhikaram. Tolkappiar may belong to first century BCE, but Tolkappiam belongs to 5th century CE is my view.

The same problem is with Silappadikaram as well. The story belongs to second century CE, but Silappadikaram belongs to 500 CE. So do Tiruvalluvar. The language and the contents betray their age. Look at the Sanskrit word Adhikaram in all the three books.

But Jayashree is not the only one who says about Trunadumagni alias Tolkappiar. It is even in P T Srinivasa  Iyengar’s History of the Tamils written in 1930s.

Here is what he says on page 211

“Agattiyanar’s grammar, called after him Agattiyam, is not extant now, but the grammar composed by his pupil, Trnadhuumaagni, son of a Jamadagni, more familiarly known as Tolkaappiyanaar, is still extant. It is professedly based on the Agattiyam.


These Brahmana authors found that Tamil poetry was so utterly different from Sanskrit poetry in subject matter and literray conventions that they thought it is neccessary to include in their grammar a discussion of these subjects also. The later chapters of Tolkappiam, as Trnadhumagni’s book is called,after the Tamil name of the author, deal with every kind of incident in the course of love and war (Agam and Puram)  about which alone the Tamil poets sang in a peculiar way. From the later part of Tolkappiam, called Porul Adhikaram, can be constructed a full picture of the type of life led by the Tamil people……..

 On Page 224 he gives the story of Trnadhumgni’s clash with Agastya, as given by the most famous Tamil commentator Nachinarkiniar and rejects that story as the worst myth.

So from this , we come to know that Nachinarkiniyar was the one who called Tolkappiar as Trnadhumagni. Commentator Nachi lived 700 years before our time.

I bought Iyengar’s book, Third Edition, reprint by Asian Educational Services, Delhi, Madras, in 1989.

London Swaminathan, London, 9-8-2022


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