Tamils followed Panini in 3 more rules (Post No.9370)


Post No. 9370

Date uploaded in London – –11 MARCH  2021     

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Panini lived 2700 years before Tamil literature came into existence. Oldest Tamil book Tolkappiam written by Tolkappiar, is dated first century CE because he talks about dotted letters.

Other scholars like M. Varadarajan, former Vice Chancellor, placed him in second century BCE. Panini lived in seventh or eighth century BCE. But the amazing thing about his grammar book Ashtadhyayi is , Tamils followed it in several rules.

All Tamil scholars agree that Agastya was the first one who gave a grammar  to Tamil language. His disciple was Tolkappiar. His name was Trunadumagni , a seer, according to the most famous Tamil commentator Nachchinrkiniyar. No wonder he followed Panini.

Previously it was pointed out that he followed Panini in describing the origin of sound, case suffixes and he followed Manu in describing the eight types of marriages and Arthasastra of Kautilya in certain things. Tolkappiar himself admitted that he repeated what his predecessors said. He used the journalistic cliche, ‘they say’, ‘it is said that’ etc in 305 places.

Now I have found more examples to show that he followed Panini in other areas as well.


1).A- kaara and A- kara

The first sutra of Tolkappiam and the first couplet of Tirukkural has ‘A- Kara’ . It means letter A. Panini used this in his sutras. In Sanskrit it is long sound A- kaara. In Tamil it’s short sound A -Kara . No other language has this kara or kaara suffix to a letter.


2).PaniniYAM and Tolkappi YAM

When you want to name a book after its author or on the subject matter you add ‘IYAM’

PaniniYAM- book written by Panini


Indra janan’iya’


are some of the books mentioned by Panini (4-3-88)

Tamils also named books in the same way


Kakkai paatini’YAM’


English is also part of Indo European Languages. So, we find


MiltoniAN scholar etc.


3).Another area where similarity is naming a book after the number of verses it has

Tamils were obsessed with numbers 4,40, 400 and 4000. They named a lot of the 36 books of Sangam and Post Sangam works wih these numbers.

Let us take 400 for example

We have Pura 400/nanuru, Aka 400, Narrinai 400 etc.

Naming a book with numbers is very common in Sanskrit:-

Panchakam, Satakam , astakam, pathikam, Sahasranamam are a few examples

But 2700 years ago, Sanskrit scholars used this.

Satapata Brahmana – book with 100/ sata  chapters.

Kaushitaki Brahmana was called 30 chapter book

Aitareya Brahma was called 40 chapter book

So naming a book with number also came from a common source from Vedic days.

Recent Post on Tolkappiam:–


tamilandvedas.com › 2021/02/27 › 5…


27 Feb 2021 — Agreement between Tolkappiam and Sanskrit works on Grammar. BY S N Sri Rama Desikan. (FOLLOWING MATTER IS FROM AN OLD …


tags- Tamils, Panini, naming book,



Post No. 8775

Date uploaded in London – –5 OCTOBER 2020   

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Years ago, I wrote in my two blogs that Brahmins of India are “LIVING FOSSILS” of the world and they deserve an entry into Guinness Book of Records. I gave umpteen reasons including ‘thrice a day Sandhyavandana water ritual’ shows they are sons of the soil and they did not come from outside India. I also showed that they worship Sun, God of Death, Water, Directions, Prosody, Goddess Gayatri, Sapta Rishis/  Seven Stars in Ursa Major constellation, 100 year full life, River Narmada and all Vedic deities. There is a rare combination of Nature and God in their three times worship every day (Sorry to say that I do only two times a day in London on the banks of River Thamasa called Thames. Guinness Book on Names says that it is similar to River Thamasaa of Valmiki)

Now I have got one more point to prove my case. Brahmin’s daily ceremony includes Gayatri worship. It is the second and most important part. Before the actual recitation of Gayatri Mantra, they invocate Goddess Gayatri from the hilltop in to their hearts/mind. While inviting Goddess to enter his mind/heart he worships seven seers (Sapta Rishis in Northern Great Bear/ Ursa Major constellation), Sanskrit Grammar (Vedic Prosody with seven main meters) and All Vedic Gods.

The wonder of wonders is that a Panini Sutra gives the names of Rishis in the same order as I say it in London. What does it mean?

At least for 2700 years Brahmins are doing this recitation. I was surprised to find the same order in a grammar book where he explained only to teach grammar and not religion or ritual.

A brahmin who does Sandhya Vandana (Sun Worship) every day, touching his forehead, says the names of Seven Seers:-

Atri, Brhu, Kutsa, Vasistha, Gautama, Kashyapa, Angirasa.

Some Brahmins use one or two different names but they belong to the same clan (Gotra). So it is not considered a deviation.

And the referred sutra is in Ashtadhyayi of Panini:-

2-4-65 atribrhukutsavasistha gotamaangirasobhyas ca

Here he explains the rules about elision .

We are not concerned about the grammatical rules here.

What I want to show is that the same order is in grammatical rule and Brahmin’s say it in day to day ritual!

So we know that it has been there from Panini’s time or even before that.



Tamils followed Panini in naming women and  in forming feminine names from masculine ones. (Please read my article posted here yesterday ).

Tamils also named books after numbers . Some of the Sangam Age Tamil books are  ‘Five short hundreds’ (Ainkurunuru), ‘Ten tens ‘(Pathitrupathu); Post Sangam books have Tirukkural (Holy Couplets=2), Naaladiyaar (Four Lines). Then we see a lot of Ten Verses (Pathikam), 100 verses (Satakam).

All these originated from Sanskrit which are explained in Panini Sutras (aphorism or crispy rules)

The earliest NUMBER  books in Sanskrit is Satapata Brahmana (100 chapters). Those who read the first 60 chapters are named students ‘who mastered 60 chapter’s. The book is called Sixty, Shastipathaa in Sanskrit,  is the word used for it.

Panini’s own work is called Ashtakam (Eight Chapters) by his followers and the popular name of the book is ASHTA +ADHYAYII (8 chapters).

Tamils also collected the 18 books of Sangam Age into Eight Collections (Ettuthokai)  and Ten Long verses (Pathuppaattu) .

The Kaushitaki Brahmana book has 30 chapters and the Aitareya Brahmana book has 40 chapters.

Panini gave them as examples in5-1-62

Trimsach- chatvarimsator brahmane samjnayam

Triamsa- 30


This is also followed by the ancient Tamils.


TAMILS followed Sanskrit grammar in naming the books after authors.

Most famous Tamil book is Tolkaappiyam , the oldest grammar book in Tamil.

Like Panini’s work is called Paaniniiyam after him, Tolkaappiyam is named after its author Tolkaappian.

In Tamil we see many ancient book names such as KaakkaipaatiniiYAM, AvinaYAM etc.

This YA ending is  in lot of Sanskrit books which are shown as examples in the commentaries on Panini.

In short, Tamils followed NAMING rules explained in Paniniyam. May be the custom is older than Panini and Tolkappian.


tags – 7 seers, sapta rishis, Paniniyam, Tolkappiam, Tamils,