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Velirs came out of Yaga Kunda says Kapilar: Purananuru wonders-37!(Post No.15,950)

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Post No. 15,950

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Mr (late) Iravatham Mahadevan I A S made himself a fool by the following comment on Purananuru 201:

தடவினுள் (8) – ஒளவை துரைசாமி உரை – ஓமகுண்டத்தின்கண், உ. வே. சாமிநாதையர் உரை – ஓமகுண்டத்தின்கண்.   Iravatham Mahadevan who traces Akathiyar from the Dravidian Indus Valley Civilization to the South, quotes M. Raghava Iyengar’s interpretation of the word தடவு as ‘sacrificial vessel’ in the latter’s book வேளிர் வரலாறு.  He adds, “Even he missed the obvious connection between Akathiyar and his inseparable water pitcher”.  He adds further, “The word tadavu (variant taṭa, தட) means a ‘big clay pot’ (DEDR 3027) etymologically related to taṭa (தட) ‘thick, large’ (DEDR 3020).  The matter has now been put beyond doubt as the word tada occurs in a Thamizh -Brahmi inscription (ca.2^nd cen l. BCE) incised on a broken storage jar excavated at Kodumanal, Thamizh Nadu.  The fragmentary inscription reads ‘earthen jar storing (?) cold (and) hot water’.  The word tatavu ‘jar’ is also attested in Thamizh literature. It occurs twice in a poem in Nācciyār Tirumoḻi; (9:6), assigned to ca. 8^th cent. CE: nūru taṭāvil veṇṇey (நூறு தடாவில் வெண்ணெய்) – ‘a hundred jars of butter’; nūru taṭā niṟaintha akkāra adicil (நூறு தடா நிறைந்த அக்கார அடிசில்) – ‘a hundred jars of sweet morsel’”.

But 1935 Ananda Vikatan Akaradi/ Dictionary gives the meaning Sacrificial Fire pit etc for Tadavu. Moreover Draupadi came out from Yaga Kunda; Goddess Meenakshi came out of Yaga Kundam; Elixir carrying Deva for Emperor Dasaratha came out of Yaga Kundam; Rajasthans four Kshatria castes came from Yaga Kundam. Tamil Velirs came out from the Fire pit; They came to Tamil Nadu from North India via Karnataka. Read more below:

Yaga Kundam= Sacrificial Fire pit

Velirs came to Tamil Nadu 1000 years before Kapilar:Purananuru wonders-37, Tamil Encyclopedia-77, One Thousand Interesting Facts -Part 77.

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Item 597 Kalidasa and Purananuru 189

त्यागाय संभृतार्थानां सत्याय मितभाषिणाम्।

यशसे विजिगीषूणां प्रजायै गृहमेधिनाम्॥ १-७

tyāgāya saṁbhṛtārthānāṁ satyāya mitabhāṣiṇām |

yaśase vijigīṣūṇāṁ prajāyai gṛhamedhinām || 1-7 Raghuvamsam

those kings who amass riches only for the sake of munificence; reticent only for the sake of veraciousness (truth); ambitious to campaign only for the sake of their upper hand and those that get married only for the sake of meetly progeny… hence, they are the conscientious kings… [1-7]

செல்வத்துப் பயனே ஈதல் ; துய்ப்பேம் எனினே, தப்புந பலவே.

So, the purpose of wealth is charity.  If one thinks
of enjoying wealth by himself, many matters will fail!- Puram 189.

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Item 598 Mahabharatam Purananuru

“Dharme Cha Arthecha Kamecha

Mokshecha Bharatarshabha

Yad Ihaasti Tad Anyatra

Yannehasti Na Tat Kvachit”- Mahabharatam

About Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha whatever is there in this Mahabharata can be found elsewhere in the world and whatever is not here cannot be found anywhere in the world.

These Four Stages of life are in Tirukkural 501, 754, 760;

And in Purananuru 28, 31; also Akam.155;

Tolkappiyam -kalaviyal- sutra 1038; seyyuliyal- sutra- 1363;

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Item 599 Purananuru 312 and Satapata Brahmana (800 BCE)

Puranānūru 312, Poet: Ponmudiyār, Thinai: Vākai, Thurai: Moothin Mullai
It is my foremost duty to bear and raise him;
it is his father’s duty to make him a noble man;
it is the duty of the blacksmith to forge and give
him a spear; it is the duty of the king to teach
him good behavior, and it is the duty of the
young man to fight in harsh wars with his bright
sword, killing enemy elephants and coming back.

(Vaidehi Herbert Translation)

Mother’s duty to raise the child;

Father’s duty is to educate him.

It is Satapata Brahmana 14-58-2:

Maatrumaan, Pitrumaan  Aachaaryavaan Veda

Commentators say on this :

To make a perfect child and an educated person one needs a wise mother, a learned father and a highly pious and well-versed teacher.

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Item 600 Puram 183 on Four Castes and Manu 10-65

Caste is not important if one is educated

Puranānūru 183, Āriyappadai Kadantha Nedunchezhiyan sang this,

It is good to learn from a teacher,
helping him during his troubles,
giving him substantial wealth and
learning with respect, without malice.

To those born in the same womb,
a mother’s mind will be tender
toward the man who is learned.
The king will follow the path of the
learned man, and not welcome and
follow the path of a man just because
he is first born.

Among the four groups in society,
if a man from a lower group learns,
even one from an upper group will
come to him to learn with reverence.

श्रद्दधानः शुभां विद्यामाददीतावरादपि ।
अन्यादपि परं धर्मं स्त्रीरत्नं दुष्कुलादपि ॥ २३८ ॥

śraddadhānaḥ śubhāṃ vidyāmādadītāvarādapi |
anyādapi paraṃ dharmaṃ strīratnaṃ duṣkulādapi || 238 ||

One imbued with faith may acquire excellent learning even from a lowly person, special law even from the lowest, and the gem of a wife even from a base family.—(238)

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Item 601 Zodiac

Some scholars thought Hindus learnt Zodiacal system from Greeks. But we have references to zodiac in Puram verse 117, Nedunal vadai line 160 ,

Paripatal 5-11 and Mullaippattu as well. Because of these references we may conclude Hindus knew zodiac even before the contacts with the Greeks. We have references to 12 months which was also based on the movement of Sun and Moon into zodiacal signs.

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Item 602 Astrologer cum Poets

We have several poets in Sangam literature with the word Gani or Kani. It means they are well versed in astrological calculations;

Following poets were astrologers or astronomers –

Gani / kani medhaviyar

Ganiyan / kaniyan poonkundranar – Puram 192;

Kapilar – Puram 117;

Pakkudukkai  nanganiyar – Puram 194.

Tamil word Arivan was also used for astrologers.

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Item 603 Thousand years before Kapilar

PICTURE- Goddess  Madurai Meenakshi appeared in Yaga Kundam as the daughter of Kanchanamala and Malayadwaja Pandya.

Puram verse 201 by Kapilar and 363 by Siruventeraiyar (Manduka Maharishi)  show that the ancient history of Tamil Nadu is well known to Sangam Age poets.

Kapilar talks about 49 generations of Velir clan which means 1000 years before him. Velirs came to Tamil Nadu around 1000 BCE. Siru Venteraiyar speaks about the countless kings died on earth. He compared the dead kings to sand particles on the coast.

Brhad Aranyaka Upanishad also gives the names of over fifty generations. That puts the first Guru around 1800 BCE.

Puram.24, Narrinai 280 praised Velirs as an ancient clan.

Agastya brought them to Tamil Nadu along with 17 other groups/clans.

Who are Velirs?

Kapilar says they came out of Yaga Kunda (Sacrificial Fire Pit). Chalukyas also claimed that they came from Sacrificial Fire.

Velir= Velvi= Yaga/ Yajna.

In the north Four Rajpiut clans are said to have come out of Yaga Fire pit of Vasisthta Rishi.

Rajput Kshatriyas PARAMARA (PARAMAR), PRATIHARA  (PARIHARA), CHALUKYA (SOLANKI) AND CAAHAMAANA (CHAUHAN) CAME FROM A SACRIFICIAL FIRE PIT ON MOUNT ABU. Col. Tod has reported it in his Annals of Antiquities of Rajasthan.

Skanda Purana 7-3-1 also confirms the Fire Pit matter.

PLACES LIKE BELGAUM ARE LINKED WITH VELIR NAME.

ANCIENT HISTORY OF TAMIL VELIRS

புறநானூறு 201, பாடியவர்: கபிலர், பாடப்பட்டோன்: இருங்கோவேள், திணை: பாடாண், துறை: பரிசில்

இவர் யார் என்குவை ஆயின், இவரே,
ஊருடன் இரவலர்க்கு அருளித் தேருடன்
முல்லைக்கு ஈத்த செல்லா நல்லிசை
படுமணி யானைப் பறம்பின் கோமான்,
நெடுமாப் பாரி மகளிர், யானே,  5
தந்தை தோழன், இவர் என் மகளிர்,
அந்தணன் புலவன் கொண்டு வந்தனனே,
நீயே வடபால் முனிவன் தடவினுள் தோன்றிச்
செம்பு புனைந்து இயற்றிய சேண் நெடும் புரிசை
உவரா ஈகைத் துவரை யாண்டு  10
நாற்பத்தொன்பது வழிமுறை வந்த
வேளிருள் வேளே விறல் போர் அண்ணல்,
தார் அணி யானைச் சேட்டு இருங்கோவே!
ஆண்கடன் உடைமையின் பாண்கடன் ஆற்றிய
ஒலியற் கண்ணிப் புலிகடிமாஅல்!  15
யான் தர இவரைக் கொண்மதி, வான் கவித்து
இருங்கடல் உடுத்த இவ் வையகத்து அருந்திறல்
பொன்படு மால் வரைக் கிழவ! வென்வேல்
உடலுநர் உட்கும் தானைக்
கெடல் அருங்குரைய நாடு கிழவோயே.  20

Puranānūru 201, Poet Kapilar sang to King Irungōvēl, Thinai: Pādān, Thurai: Parisil
If you ask who they are, they are his daughters,
he who granted towns to those who came in need
and earned great fame for gifting a chariot to a
jasmine vine to climb,
he who owned elephants with jingling bells, the
lord of Parampu, the great king Pāri.  They are
my daughters now.
As for me, I am their father’s friend, a Brahmin,
a poet who has brought them here.

You are the best Vēlir of the Vēlir clan,
with a heritage of forty-nine generations of Vēlirs
who gave with love to those in need,
who ruled Thuvarai with a fort with tall, huge walls
that were made of copper, whose ancestors appeared
in the sacrificial pit of a northern sage,
O king who is victorious in battles!

O great king with garlanded elephants!
O Pulikatimāl wearing a thick garland, who knows
what a man’s responsibility is, and what your duty is
to bards!  I am offering them.  Please accept them.
Lord of the sky-high mountain that yields gold!
You whose strength cannot be equaled on the earth
that is covered by an arched sky and surrounded
by the ocean, you whose army puts fear into
enemies with victorious spears!
O ruler of a land that can never be ruined!

AND TAMILS KNEW THOSANDS OF KINGS WHO RULED INDIA BEFORE SANGAM AGE!

புறநானூறு 363, பாடியவர்: ஐயாதிச் சிறுவெண்தேரையார், திணை: பொதுவியல், துறை: பெருங்காஞ்சி
இருங்கடல் உடுத்த இப்பெருங்கண் மாநிலம்
உடை இலை நடுவணது இடை பிறர்க்கு இன்றித்
தாமே ஆண்ட ஏமம் காவலர்
இடு திரை மணலினும் பலரே; சுடு பிணக்
காடு பதியாகப் போகித் தத்தம்  5
நாடு பிறர் கொளச் சென்று மாய்ந்தனரே;
அதனால் நீயும் கேண்மதி அத்தை! வீயாது
உடம்பொடு நின்ற உயிரும் இல்லை
மடங்கல் உண்மை மாயமோ அன்றே;
கள்ளி ஏய்ந்த முள்ளியம் புறங்காட்டு  10
வெள்ளில் போகிய வியலுள் ஆங்கண்,
உப்பு இலாஅ அவிப் புழுக்கல்
கைக் கொண்டு பிறக்கு நோக்காது,
இழிபிறப்பினோன் ஈயப் பெற்று,
நிலம் கலனாக விலங்கு பலி மிசையும்  15
இன்னா வைகல் வாரா முன்னே,
செய்ந்நீ முன்னிய வினையே,
முந்நீர் வரைப்பு அகம் முழுதுடன் துறந்தே.

Puranānūru 363, Poet: Aiyāthi Siruventhēraiyār, Thinai: Pothuviyal, Thurai: Perunkānji

Kings who have ruled this huge land surrounded
by the large ocean, without giving even an udai
tree leaf size land for others, are many, more in
numbers than the sand brought to the shores by waves.
These kings who ruled have gone to the cremation
grounds, as others took their land.
So you too should listen!  There is no one who has lived
forever.  Death is real!  It is not an illusion!

Do what you intend to do and renounce totally, this world
girded by ocean, before the sad day comes when you will be
carried in a bier to the vast cremation ground filled with
kalli trees with thorns, fed cooked rice without salt that will
be placed on the ground, by a man performing funeral rites,
who, without looking at your corpse, will offer you food.

(Vaidehi Herbert’s translations are used; thanks)

My comment

Ven Teraiyar= Manduka Maharishi ; this poem and another Purananuru poem which reports seven kings took power on the same day show clearly Hindus knew very ancient history of India.

To be continued………………………………….

Tags- Tamil Velir mystery, 49 generations, Fire pit , Yaga Kundam, Velirs , 1000 years before Kapilar,Purananuru wonders-37, Tamil Encyclopedia-77, One Thousand Interesting Facts -Part 77.