Date: 17 FEBRUARY 2018


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Written by London swaminathan


Post No. 4755


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Chanakya was a great genius who lived 2300 years ago. He wrote in Sanskrit  several didactic works and the Arthasastra, book on economics. Tiruvalluvar was a genius who wrote Tirukkural with 1330 couplets touching various topics from God to family life. Though the Tamil Nadu government is sticking to a date of first century BCE for Tiruvalluvar, linguistically he can be placed only in the fourth century or fifth century CE. In all the 133 chapters, he used Sanskrit words.


Chanakya says,


Up to five years one should fondle a child;

for the next ten years one should exercise control over him;

As soon as he enters the sixteenth year, father should start treating him like a friend.

-Chanakya Niti, Chapter 3, Sloka/verse 18

laalayet panca varshaani dasa varshaani taadayet

prapte tu shodase putrammitravadaacaret






Good Son is like Moon!


Even with a single educated noble son the whole family gets elated (brightened) as does get the night with the moon.

-Chanakya Niti, Chapter 3, Sloka/verse 16

ekenaapi suputrena vidhyaayuktena saadhunaa

aahalaaditam kulam sarvam yathaa chandrena sarvarii


Tiruvalluvar says,

The wisdom on’s sons will be a blessing to the world at large rather than to the parents—Kural/verse 68

A mother’s joy at hearing of her son acclaimed as full of virtue and refinement is greater than her joy at the time of his birth – Kural 69



Bad son is like a Forest Fire!


Just as with one dry tree being burnt by fire the whole forest gets burnt, in the same way a family with a bad son.

-Chanakya Niti, Chapter 3, Sloka/verse 15

ekena ssuhka vrukshena dahyamaanena vahninaa

dahyate tadvanam sarvam kuputrena kulam yathaa




One Markandeya or 100 Duryodhanaadi?

What has one to do with a number of sons who cause only sorrow and affliction. A single son who could be the support, the one wherefrom the family can draw comfort is better.

-Chanakya Niti, Chapter 3, Sloka/verse 17

kim jaatairbhahubihi putraihi sokasantaapakaarakaihi

varamekaha kulaalambhii yatra visraamyate kulam


Even a single meritorious son is better than hundreds of them with no merit. A single moon dispels darkness and not the multitude of stars.

varameko gunii putro nirgunaisca satairapi

ekaschandrastamo hanti na ca taaraaganairapi

-Chanakya Niti, Chapter 4, Sloka/verse 6

Tiruvalluvar says,

The duty of the son to the father is to make others exclaim, “what penance has he done to be blessed with such a worthy son”.

What father is expected to do his son is to make him fit to hold the foremost place among the learned – Kural 67



Still born son!

It is better to have a still born son than the one born foolish. The still born one gives a modicum of pain. The foolish one burns the whole life

muurkhasciraayurjaatopi tasmaajjaatamruto varaha

mrutaha sa caalpadukkhaaya yaavajjiivam jatoo dahet

-Chanakya Niti, Chapter 4, Sloka/verse 7



Tiru Valluvar in his master piece Tirukkural says,

Among the blessings one should have there is none so great as having sensible children – Kural 61

No evil will befall a man in all the seven births he may have if he gets children of irreproachable character – Kural 62


Famous Hindu Boys

Hindu mythology and Hagiology have  lot of exemplary children in its over 3000 year history such as Druvan, Markandeya, Nachiketas, Thiru Jnana Sambandar, Adi Shankara,Satyakama Jabali, Prahlada, Vamana, Uddalaka, Svetaketu and Andal (poetess).


–Subham —








Tamils and Chanakya attack Yavanas! (Post No.4565)

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Research Article Written by London Swaminathan 


Date: 30 DECEMBER 2017 


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Post No. 4565

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Chanakya in his Niti Shastra attack Yavanas like the Tamils. One of the most powerful Tamil kings Imayavaramban Netuncheralathan punished Yavanas by shaving their heads and pouring oil on the heads 2000 years ago. (Please see full details in my earlier research articles in the links given at the bottom).


But who are the Yavanas?


In Tamil literature it denotes Romans and Greeks. In later Tamil literature, the words milecha and Yavanas were used for Romans, Greeks and Arbas may be Persians. Both Kalidasa and Tamil poet mentioned the Yavana wine. In Shakuntalam and Raghu Vamsa it refers to the wine produced by the Persians. Both Tamil and Sanskrit poets used them for guarding the harem, war camps and gates of the palaces. The Yavana women were used as maids in the palaces.


Let us look at what Chanakya says about the Yavanas (Greeks)  first!


“The wise who know the reality have proclaimed that even one Yavana is equal to thousands of Candalas (untouchables) There is no one more lowly than a Yavana”.

–Chanakya Niti , Chapter 8, Sloka 5


Chaadaalaanaam sahasraischa suuribistatvadarsibihi

eko hi yavanah prokto na niicho yavanaat parah


Satya Vrata Sastri who translated Chanakya Niti, says in the introduction:

“The Caanakya Niiti provides a good glimpse of the contemporary thinking. The time it was composed was marked by intense hatred for the Yavanas, the Greek or for that matter all the foreign invaders, who were out to subjugate the country with their life style running counter to that of the locals – mark the expression ‘Sayanaa Bhunchathe Yavanaah, ‘the Yavanas partake the food while lying’, a practice abhorring to high-bred Indians of the time.


The Yavanas through their unseemly behaviour, this is how one can infer it, invited on themselves the curse of the locals who would not take them kindly as evidenced by such expressions as ‘Dur yavanam’ which is cited in grammatical texts as an example of  the Avyayii Bhaava compound in the sense of vyurudhdhi (vi+ rudhdhi), the absence of prosperity of the Yavanas which was the wish of the then Indians.


It is the Yavanas who were picked for vyurudhdhi. The same feeling of intense revulsion for the Yavanas in the Caanakya Niiti Darpana also echoes when it says, ‘there is none more vile than the Yavana’.


Yavanas in Kalidasa

In the Vikramorvasiyam Yavanis (Act 5-2-7) are mentioned.

The commentator adds, “Ionian Greek girls were employed as servants in the courts of kings in ancient India. In the Shakuntala also (Act II) we find that  King Dushyanta’s retinue consists of several Ionian Greek girls and the sixth act of the same drama we have an ionian maiden whose duty is to carry the bow of the king wherever he goes.


In the Raghuvamsa, Kalidasa says,


यवनीमुखपद्मानां सेहे मधुमदं न सः|
बालातपमिवाब्जानामकालजलदोदयः ॥ ४-६१

yavanīmukhapadmānāṁ sehe madhumadaṁ na saḥ|
bālātapamivābjānāmakālajaladodayaḥ  || 4-61


yavanI mukha padmAnA.m sehe madhu mada.m na saH bAla Atapam iva abja AnAm a kAla jalada udayaH

  1. 61. saH=he that raghu; yavanI=of yavana females; mukha padmAnA.m= on faces, like lotuses – lotuses like faces; madhu mada.m= flush from drinks; a+ kAla= un, timely; jalada udayaH= cloud, arising; abjAnAm= for lotuses; bAla Atapam iva= young, sun, as with; na sehe= not, tolerated, removed – the flushes of drink from the faces of Yavana females.

Picture of Persian woman drinking


As to how an untimely cloud removes morning sunlight from the faces of just blooming lotuses, raghu has also removed the blooming flush of wine from the lotus-like faces of yavana women when he encountered their men. [4-61]


The yavani-s spoken of by kAlidAsa seem to be of Persian and other races on the north-west of India. Viewing them to be Greek or Ionians is only too far-fetched. – KMJ


Another drama of Kalidasa, Malavika Agnimitram, also refers to the Yavanas.


Hundreds of Tamil words are in ancient Greek (see my previous posts)


Tamil literature also talks about Yavana wine. The commentators said that it was Roman wine. When we look at Kalidasa it looks like Tamils also used Persian wine.


We have very clear proof for the contact with the Greeks; Fragments of drama with Greek words were discovered in South India. In the North West of India, there was Indo-Greek rule for a long time after Alexander left Indian borders.


Other references are in my earlier articles:—



Barhut sculpture of a Yavana; 2300 year old.

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31 Jul 2014 – Yavana in Puranas Mucukunta was an ancient king, who the Chozas claim as their ancestor. Later inscriptions and Tamil literature claim Chozas belong to the solar race. Sibi, who ruled North West India was also an ancestor of the Chozas according to Sangam Tamil literature(Purananuru). Mucukunda …

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