Vedic Sarama and Greek Hermes!!


Research paper No 1952

Written by London swaminathan

Date: 24 June 2015

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Who is Sarama?

In the Rig Veda (10-108) the dog of Indra is called Sarama. It has got two children and they are called Sarameyas. They were the watch dogs of Yama, the god of death. Panis (who are identified with Phoenicians) stole the cows of Indra. Sarama was sent as a messenger who warned the Panis.

Who is Hermes?

Sarama became Hermes in Greek mythology and Panis became Pan. Greeks borrowed lot of Hindu stories and mutilated them beyond recognition. Hermes is the son of Zeus and Maiya. From the day of birth Hermes was cunning and stole the cows of Apollo. He became the herald of the gods and escort of the shades of the dead. He was the God of Travellers, patron of music and wore a hat and the caduceus (a serpent twined wand).

Letter S changed to H in Greek. They changed Sindhu River into Hindu (S=H) via Persia (Iran).

Both the Vedic and Greek stories have some similarities:

a) Accompanying the dead

b)Stealing the Cow

c)Messenger of the Gods


But who borrowed it from whom? Definitely the Greeks borrowed it from us and jumbled it with attributes of several other Vedic Gods. Then Romans identified their god Mercury with Hermes. Mercury is connected with Mercantile like Pani is connected with Vanik (business)

So the new equation is

Sarama= Hermes = Mercury

But in Vedic story the lines are clearly demarcated, while in Greek and Roman stories, they got mixed up.

Who is Aesir and Vanir?

These are two races of Gods in Teutonic myth (Scandinavian). Aesir is ASURA and Vanir is PANIS. Once again the same Vedic story! But to understand the links between these Gods one must go to the Rig Veda. All are Sanskrit words get corrupted and stories changed Ulta (upside down)! Rig Veda is the oldest scripture and other myths came at least 1000 years later.

Now the equation IS

Sarama= Hermes = Mercury= Aesir/Vanir

Though the connection between Sarama and Hermes is known for long, Shrikant G Talageri has analysed the story by comparing them with Persian, Teutonic and Greek stories. The conclusion is that we are the original source. The dates of Greek, Teutonic and Persian myths are later than the Rig Veda.


Indra on his elephant

My comments:

This shows that the Hindus migrated to various parts of Europe long ago. Talageri points out that without our Vedas no one could know the links between the Gods in four different cultures. All have a common thread and the Vedic story is changed in every culture. For instance Pusan is the God of Travellers in Vedas.

Now I give below Talageri’s view on this episode from his book ‘The Rig Veda, a Historical Analysis’:–

1.Griffith and Mac donell give different translations!

2.In course of time, a regular phenomenon of nature was converted into a single mythical incident:-

Sarama is at first, the dawn who recovers the rays of the sun that have been carried away by the night; then

The hound of Indra and mother of the two dogs called Sarameyas who are the watch dogs of Yama; then

The messenger of the Gods or Indra


3.The Panis are at first,

Merchants or traders; then

A class of envious demons watching over treasure; then

The fiends who steal cows and hide them in mountain caverns

4.The cows are at first

The Rays of Light carried off and concealed by the demons of darkness, the Panis; then

The rain clouds carried off and kept concealed by the Panis; then

The Panis hoarded the wealth, the cattle and the wealth in horses and in kine.

5.The myth starts off with the idea of the Panis, the demons of darkness, stealing the rays of light and hiding them away at night, and Sarama, the dawn, recovering them in the morning, as a matter of daily routine. A regular phenomenon gradually becomes a single incident.

6.Apart from the Rig Veda, the story is in Jaiminiya Brahmana (2-440) and Brhatdevata

7.The gist of the Rig Vedic Hymn is

a)Sarama makes her way over long paths and over the waters of Rasaa (River) and conveys to the Panis, Indra’s demand for their ample stores of wealth

b)The Panis refuse, and tauntingly make an offer to make Indra the herdsman of their cattle

c)Sarama warns them of the consequences

d)The Panis express their willingness to do battle with Indra. But they offer to accept Sarama as their sister

e)Sarama however rejects the offer.

  1. Panis variant Vani is also found two places in the Rig Veda. A range of words pertaining to trade, commerce, economics and business activity are derived from Pani: Apana/market, Apanika/mercantile, Pan/money,coin, Vani/Bania/Trader, Vanijya/commerce etc.

9.Teutonic mythology has the cognate word Vanir and Aesir (asura). The rivalry between the Aesir and Vanir is reflected throughout Teutonic Mythology. But in Teutonic mythology Vanir are a second race of Gods. Aesir are first race of Gods.

talagheri book


1.Practically all the elements in any reconstructed proto Indo European Mythology are found in Vedic Mythology, whereas only a few of them are found in any other  Indo European Mythology.

2.The common elements are found in Vedic Mythology in their most primitive forms, closest to the original nature myths; while fragments of the original myths, in later developed versions, are found in other  Indo European Mythologies.

3.Each of the other Indo European Mythologies has several elements in common with Vedic mythology, but hardly any with any of the others (not counting historical borrowings, such as Greek Apollo in Roman mythology)

4.In respect of common elements, the Vedic version provides the connecting link, often the only one, between the versions in other mythologies.

5.Iranian Mythology has no connection with any other mythology except Vedic.

6.If the word Pani in the Rig Veda, which is pre cursor of the Teutonic Vanir and the Greek Pan, originally meant a merchant or trader in the earlier part of the Rig Veda, then it certainly means that the VEDIC PEOPLE WERE ALREADY A SETTLED AND A COMMERCIALLY PROSPEROUS PEOPLE IN THE GEOGRAPHICAL REGION INDICATED BY THE RIG VEDA BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MYTHICAL CONCEPT OF THE PANIS.

Vedic Phoenicians; History’s Mystery!

Picture of Baal (Vedic demon Vala), 1800 BCE, Louvre Museum, Paris

Written by London swaminathan

Research Article No.1889

Date: 25 May 2015; London Time 19-22

Every one of us use the word “Pana” for money in India. All of us use the word “Vanik(a)” for the business people or commerce. The entire English speaking world use the word “MONEY”. All these are derived from the Rig Vedic word “Pani”.

Linguists know that P=V=M are interchangeable. If you apply this rule, you get:-

Pani=Vanik= Vanij= Pana= Money

P=V=M interchange is very common in several languages including Tamil.

According to Western encyclopaedias, Phoenicians’ contribution to the world are 1)Alphabet and 2)Money. Even the Indian Brahmi which gave birth to Tamil script and all the South East Asian scripts are developed from the Phoenician alphabet according to them. I would not touch the issue of alphabet in this article. But let us look at other things.

Misers and Robbers

Panis or Phoenicians were very bad people according to the Rig Veda(1-33-3; 5-34-7; AV 20-128-4; VS 3-1). Panis were

1)Robbers or thieves who stole the cows of Vedic Hindus.

2)They were very greedy and rich.

3)They accumulated wealth.

4)They were miserly merchants (RV 1-124-10; 4-51-3; 8-45-14).

5)They were called Dasyus RV 7-6-3 (Thieves)

6)In some places they were called Dasas (RV 5-34-5; AV 5-11-6).

7)They don’t worship Gods.

8)They don’t do Fire Sacrifice.

9)They never give Dakshinas (fees) to the Vedic priests.

10)They were called wolves (RV  6-51-14)

11)They were grathin (nobody knew the meaning)

12)In some passages the Panis are shown as mythological figures, demons who withhold the cows and waters of heaven and to whom Sarama (dog) goes on a mission from Indra (RV 10-108)

(Story of Indra’s ambassador Sarama, the dog, has spread up to Greece via Iran, who was called Hermes. I will give the story separately; in both Persian and Greek S sound is changed to H)

But Rig Veda never mentioned about  their child sacrifice. They killed thousands and thousands of children, actually burnt them alive and buried their ash in pots. Now we have found those graves in Bahrain and other neighbouring countries.  Probably that is the reason Vedic Hindus hated them. They worshipped Baal from 2000 BCE. He had a major sanctuary at BYBLOS.

Another god was Moloch or Molek. Israelite children were sacrificed by burning to Molech , according to the Bible (1 Kings 11-7; 2 Kings 23-10). Vedic Hindus hated the Mlechas; probably the world came from Molek worshippers.

Who were the Phoenicians?

The best proof for identifying them with Panis of Rig Veda come from the word Byblos. This is the corrupted form their King Bibru. Rig Veda mentioned the name Bribu as their king. He constructed the city Byblos which is known to all historians. They controlled areas on the coast of Mediterranean Sea. Carthage (modern Tunisia) in North Africa and Lebanon in the Middle East were their main colonies.

Linguists know R=L are interchangeable. Even Panini has a sutra about it.


Byblos has got continuous existence from 5000 BCE. So Rig Vedic Bribu must have corrupted to Byblos. Or later kings might have named it after Bribu. Both are possible.

The second proof comes from the Sanskrit words of Phoenician areas. Following piece is taken from Wikipedia:

Other colonies (Note the Sanskrit Names)

Lebanon = lavana ( salt or salty white)

  • Callista (on modern Santorini)
  • Calpe (modern Gibraltar)
  • Gunugu
  • Thenae
  • Tipassa
  • Sundar (Sanskrit)
  • Surya(Sanskrit)
  • Shobina(Sanskrit)
  • Tara(Sanskrit)
  • My comments: Vedic Hindus might have settled in these Phoenician colonies for business purposes or settled there earlier than the Phoenicians.

Phoenicians spoke a non-Sanskrit language and so they were called Mrdhravach (of hostile speech). Greeks called non-Greeks barbarians; Ancient Tamils called Roman and Greek bodyguards with the same word (People of rude or harsh words); Telugus called Tamils with the same word (Arava=loud mouthed or voiceless or snake people); Bible called non-Christians as Pagans; Quran called Non-Muslims as Kafirs. This type of derogatory coinage was very common in the ancient world.

Miners of Lapis Lazuli

Bhagavan Sing (Author of Vedic Harappans) say that they mined minerals and gem stones such as lapis lazuli and exported them. So the Vedas say they hid the treasure under rocks.

I Come appointed messenger of Indra, asking your ample stores of wealth, O Panis (RV 10-108-2)

Paved with rock is this our treasure chamber; filled full of precious things, of kine, and horses. These Panis who are watchful keepers guard it. In vain hast thou approached this lonely station (RV 10-108-7)

Vedic Mantras cover a vast period of time. So it is possible at one time they had good business contacts with the Vedic Hindus.

Even Homer described them as good and bad people. They exported purple dye for the dress of Roman kings. In Illiad, Homer say that their wares are fit for Gods and kings and in Odyssey he says they are bunch of treacherous thieves. He has reflected the Rig Vedic thoughts.

Like we see in India, there is a big gap between the literary evidence and the archaeological evidence for Phoenicians. This remains a mystery until this day.

A.Kalyanaraman (author of Aryatarangini) argues that they were also Vedic people but who did not follow Vedic religion (vratyas) and migrated westwards.

References to Vanij (Vanikan in Tamil)

RV 1-112-11; 5-45-6; AV 3-15-1

References to Pani

RV1-33-3; RV 4-28-7; 5-34-5; 6-13-3; 8-64-2; 10-60-6;3-58-2;6-51-14. There are over 30 references. I have given only a few.

Child Killers

Vedic Hindus hated them because Phoenicians were ready to do anything for getting money. Bible refers to child sacrifice by Canaanites/Phoenicians in Jerusalem. Modern excavations have revealed thousands of urns containing the cremated remains of infants, small children and animals in Carthage (Tunisia), Motya (Sicily),Sulcis (Sardinea)and other Punic (Phoenician) sites. They spread this disgusting, barbaric practice to other Mediterranean areas. Scholars believe they had their origin in Bahrain. Vedas dub all the cannibals as Asuras/demons.

Phoenician God Baal is called Vala in Rig Veda whom Indra pierced when they plundered the Hindus’ cows.

All these prove that the hated Panis were Phoeniciaans.