Extra Terrestrial Civilization in Manu Smrti? (Post No.4432)

Written by London Swaminathan 


Date: 25 NOVEMBER 2017


Time uploaded in London- 13-12



Post No. 4432

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Whatever we have read as magic and mystery in the mythology seventy or hundred years ago, have become day to day ordinary things now; I will explain:

We thought only sages and seers (Rishis and Munis) could see what happens in another or a distant place; now we have CC TV and TV broadcasts which show us that happens in a distant place. With hand held objects, I pads and mobile phones we do now, what sages and seers did 100 years ago.

We thought only Rishis and Munis can hear Gandharva singing in the sky; now we have hand held small radios with  which we can hear Bhuloka Gandharavs (earthly musicians) but yet the music is coming from the heavens (air).


We heard that sages and seers received the truths from the heavens; they ‘heard’ it and so we called the Vedas Sruti (Sruti= which is heard); now with the help of internet and google, we can access truthful ( and of course porno and untruthful) information. Now we better understand how the sages and seers could have done it.


Now we know billions of pages can be saved on the internet and anyone could receive it from different parts of the world at any time. They are stored ‘somewhere”

If someone has talked or predicted about mobile, internet, television, Ipads etc. 150 years ago, one would have thought we are talking about something mysterious or strange or science fiction.

In short, now man has become Superman; Manusha has become a Deva!


When we read such magical things, we thought only Devas can do it. Now we know man is also becoming a superman. But yet no one could say what would happen in our grandchildren’s time. Incredible science inventions come every year. Now I can order radio or TV to switch on through my voice. I open the doors with my look (eyes) or finger prints.

But there is a big difference. Our sages did this without any equipment; they could talk about astronomy without telescopes, they could see distant objects without TV or Mobile phones. They knew that mind has more power than scientific equipment. They knew words have more power than science equipment. No one has mastered that art yet.

ET in Manu


Now I am coming to the point.

Manu Smrti and our Puranas speak about various time zones for Devas and Brahma. When we hear about Extra Terrestrial Civilizations in distant planetary system we will understand such descriptions better.


We read that Devas cant have sex in the Devaloka, cant stand on their feet,can’t blink, their garlands never wither away , they can travel from one place to another place and appear intact, sages like Narada can do inter galactic travel (Tri Loka Sanchari)etc.


Now I read in Manu Smrti that human year is different from Deva (angelic) year and Deva year is different from Brahma year and Brahma’s life is insignificant compared to the Supreme God. If at all we hear or find another ET civilisation, then we will know all these are true.


For a house fly that lives only 24 hours, human year is 365 times more; human life span is 365X100 days more than the fly’s life span. If we take the life of a bacterium then our life span is million times more. For a turtle ot tortoise that lives 300 years, our life span is shorter.

Now look at what Manu says about Time calculation:-

  1. When he whose power is incomprehensible, had thus produced the universe and men, he disappeared in himself, repeatedly suppressing one period by means of the other.
  2. When that divine one wakes, then this world stirs; when he slumbers tranquilly, then the universe sinks to sleep.
  3. But when he reposes in calm sleep, the corporeal beings whose nature is action, desist from their actions and mind becomes inert.
  4. When they are absorbed all at once in that great soul, then he who is the soul of all beings sweetly slumbers, free from all care and occupation.
  5. When this (soul) has entered darkness, it remains for a long time united with the organs (of sensation), but performs not its functions; it then leaves the corporeal frame.
  6. When, being clothed with minute particles (only), it enters into vegetable or animal seed, it then assumes, united (with the fine body), a (new) corporeal frame.
  7. Thus he, the imperishable one, by (alternately) waking and slumbering, incessantly revivifies and destroys this whole movable and immovable (creation).
  8. But he having composed these Institutes (of the sacred law), himself taught them, according to the rule, to me alone in the beginning; next I (taught them) to Mariki and the other sages.
  9. Bhrigu, here, will fully recite to you these Institutes; for that sage learned the whole in its entirety from me.
  10. Then that great sage Bhrigu, being thus addressed by Manu, spoke, pleased in his heart, to all the sages, ‘Listen!’
  11. Six other high-minded, very powerful Manus, who belong to the race of this Manu, the descendant of the Self-existent (Svayambhu), and who have severally produced created beings,
  12. (Are) Svarokisha, Auttami, Tamasa, Raivata, Kakshusha, possessing great lustre, and the son of Vivasvat.
  13. These seven very glorious Manus, the first among whom is Svayambhuva, produced and protected this whole movable and immovable (creation), each during the period (allotted to him).
  14. Eighteen nimeshas (twinklings of the eye, are one kashtha), thirty kashthas one kala, thirty kalas one muhurta, and as many (muhurtas) one day and night.
  15. The sun divides days and nights, both human and divine, the night (being intended) for the repose of created beings and the day for exertion.
  16. A month is a day and a night of the manes, but the division is according to fortnights. The dark (fortnight) is their day for active exertion, the bright (fortnight) their night for sleep.
  17. A year is a day and a night of the gods; their division is (as follows): the half year during which the sun progresses to the north will be the day, that during which it goes southwards the night.
  18. But hear now the brief (description of) the duration of a night and a day of Brahman and of the several ages (of the world, yuga) according to their order.
  19. They declare that the Krita age (consists of) four thousand years (of the gods); the twilight preceding it consists of as many hundreds, and the twilight following it of the same number.
  20. In the other three ages with their twilights preceding and following, the thousands and hundreds are diminished by one (in each).
  21. These twelve thousand (years) which thus have been just mentioned as the total of four (human) ages, are called one age of the gods.
  22. But know that the sum of one thousand ages of the gods (makes) one day of Brahman, and that his night has the same length.
  23. Those (only, who) know that the holy day of Brahman, indeed, ends after (the completion of) one thousand ages (of the gods) and that his night lasts as long, (are really) men acquainted with (the length of) days and nights.
  24. At the end of that day and night he who was asleep, awakes and, after awaking, creates mind, which is both real and unreal.
  25. Mind, impelled by (Brahman’s) desire to create, performs the work of creation by modifying itself, thence ether is produced; they declare that sound is the quality of the latter.
  26. But from ether, modifying itself, springs the pure, powerful wind, the vehicle of all perfumes; that is held to possess the quality of touch.
  27. Next from wind modifying itself, proceeds the brilliant light, which illuminates and dispels darkness; that is declared to possess the quality of colour;
  28. And from light, modifying itself, (is produced) water, possessing the quality of taste, from water earth which has the quality of smell; such is the creation in the beginning.
  29. The before-mentioned age of the gods, (or) twelve thousand (of their years), being multiplied by seventy-one, (constitutes what) is here named the period of a Manu (Manvantara).
  30. The Manvantaras, the creations and destructions (of the world, are) numberless; sporting, as it were, Brahman repeats this again and again.

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black buck antelope deer 

Research Article Written by london swaminathan

Date: 9th    August 2016

Post No. 3047

Time uploaded in London :– 15-35

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Manu says,

God’s Country:

“The country that Gods made between the two divine rivers Sarasvati and Drsadvati is what they call the Land of Veda (Brahmavarta).

Manu 2-17

The conduct of the classes (four) and the intermediary classes in that country, handed down from one person to another, is called the conduct of good people.

Manu 2-18

The field of the Kurus, the Matsyas, the Pancalas and Surasenakas constitute the country of Priestly sages (Brahmarsi Desa), right next to the Land of the Veda

Manu 2-19


My comments

Since Manu refers to perennial river Sarasvati he must have lived long long ago.

The areas he mentioned falls under Indus Valley Civilisation. He says that is the Land of Veda. So Indus valley and Vedic Civilisation are one and the same.


He mentioned the above two rivers as divine, so he must have lived during Vedic times. We have to note that Ganges is not mentioned!


Antelope Land!

From the eastern sea to the western sea, the area in between the two mountains (Himalayas and Vindhyas) is what wise men call the Land of the Noble ones.

Manu 2-22

Where the black antelope ranges by nature, that should be known as the country fit for sacrifices; and beyond it is the country of the Mlechas.

Manu 2-23


No Ganges River!

The above passages raise lot of questions:-

1.Why did not Manu mention the holiest river Ganges when he mentioned Sarasvati and Drsadvati?

2.For whom Did Manu write his code?

3.Where did the Land of the Mlechas begin? And who were the Mlechas?


  1. If Manu has written only for the land between the Vindhyas and Himalayas, what happened to the South Indians? Did civilised people live at that time in the South or not?


My comments:

Ganges River is one of the rivers in the Rig Veda; not the holiest of the holy rivers. So can we take that Manu lived well before the Epic age?

Manu mentioned the land where black bucks roam is the holy place fit for sacrifices. We know that it roamed from Nepal to South India. So South is also a holy place?


If Manu had written only for the noble people between the two seas and two mountains why should others bother about it?


Is there any proof to show that someone was ill treated or harmed for violating Manu’s code? No, definitely not in ancient times. Even the Ramayana reference to a Shudra doing penance and Rama punishing him is considered a later addition or interpolation according to the scholars. They point out that it is in gross contradiction to the picture of Rama’s relationship with Sabari and Guha.


Ganges Mystery!!

Ganga Mystery can be solved by dividing the period into two: Holy Saraswati period and Holy Ganga period; when Saraswati River completely dried up and disappeared without leaving a trace or imprint Ganga came into prominence. There is another way of looking at it. Bhagiratha , the king cum the greatest Hindu civil engineer planned and executed the diversion of River Ganga into the present Gangetic plains. Earlier kings failed in this. So Ganga became holy and prominent only after some period. We have to find out when. Manu did not give any prominence to River Ganges. So he must have lived in the Saraswati period. Ikshwaku came after Vaivaswata Manu. And Bhagiratha was the 54th ruler in the Ikshwaku dynasty. So there is a gap of 1500 to 2000 years (Western Kings ruled only for 20 years on an average. But Hindu kings ruled for 30 to 40 years on an average.)

(Please read my research article: “Great Engineers of Ancient India”, posted on 25 June 2011)


Bones in Indus Valley

It is very interesting that black antelope’s bones are discovered in Indus Valley civilisation. Can we take it that Rishis—ancient seers – raised them in their Ashramas in the Indus valley?


Half baked Westerners and their Indian pawns placed Manu in second century BCE. But Manu talks about perennial Sarasvati and sale of Soma herbs! Manu definitely wont fit into this period.


Mlechas in Tamil

Mlechas (barbarians) according to 2000 year old Sangam Tamil literature are ‘Yavanas’ from Rome, Greece and Arabian land. So the mention of Mlechas by Manu is not about Dravidians of the South. Cunning and divisive foreigners attributed this word to the Dravidians. Non Tamil speakers were called Mlechas by the Tamils.


Holy Ganges is praised sky high by Tamil Sangam literature, where as Ganges is not found in Manu. So there must be a wide gap between the Sangam period and Period of Manu.


Picture of a Mlecha in Barhut, 2nd Century BCE

The treatment of the Ganges and the Mlechas in two different ways in two different languages show the big time gap between the Manu Smrti and Sangam Literature of first three centuries of our period.


In short, the geography and the beliefs and customs of the people mentioned by Manu, place him well before the second century BCE that is attributed to it by the foreigners.


The biggest blunder is that the foreigners try to cramp Buddha, Mahavira and 1001 Smrti writers, litterateurs, writers of Ramayana , Mahabharata, Puranas, medical treatises – all into a period of 600 years or so. It is not reasonable and there is no evidence for such a thing in any other civilisation.


If we apply the same scale to other civilisations, this theory will fall flat. Max Muller’s theory that ‘a language changes every 200 years’ is not applied anywhere in the world except Sanskrit. Even if we apply it to Tamil, all the dates of Tamil literature will collapse and hang in balance!


In short, foreigners thought Hindus are simpletons and tried to foist  their rubbish theories on us like they do dump today all the unwanted, banned medicines and pesticides on us. They polluted the world with all tobacco smoking, firing arms, nuclear explosions, burning coal and petrol. And today they advise us that we should do this or shouldn’t do that. It is the same with their writings and theories as well!


Read my earlier article:

“Yavana(Mlechas) Mystery in Tamil Literature”, posted on 31 July 2014.