Part-5: Anti- Weaver,Tanner, Scavenger Proverbs (Post No.3076)

cobbler, tribe

Compiled by London swaminathan

Date: 20th August 2016

Time uploaded in London:  12-12

Post No.3076


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Part-5 on caste Proverbs. For proverbs on Brahmins, Banias, Jats, Carpenters, Blacksmiths, Goldsmiths and agricultural castes, please read the first four parts.




Anti – Weaver Proverbs


Weaver’s loom being sunk in the ground, he is said to dig a pit and fall into it himself.


If the weaver has a pot of grain he thinks himself a Raja/king.


He finds the hind peg of a plough, and proposes to star farming on the strength of it.


If there are eight Jolaahaas (Mohammedan weavers) and nine huqqas (things), they fight for the odd one.


The Jolaahaa goes to see a ram fight and gets butted himself.

(The stupidity of the weaver is the staple subject of proverbial philosophy through out India)


Being one of a company of twelve who had safely forded a river, he can only find eleven, as he forgets to count himself and straight goes off to bury himself in the belief that, as he is missing, he must be dead.

A crow snatches a piece of bread from a Jolaha’s child and flies with it to the roof, the prudent father takes away the ladder before he gives the child anymore.


A Jolaahaa hears the Koran being read and bursts into tears; on being asked what passage moves him so, he explains that the wagging beard of the Mulla, reminded him of a favourite goat that he had lost.

When his dog barks at a tiger he proceeds to whip his child.

He will steal a reel of thread when he gets the chance.

He has his own standard of time; he lies like a Chamaar; and even if you see him brushing the newly woven cloth, you must not believe him when he says that it is ready.


Anti – Shoemaker/tanner/cobbler Proverbs


He is as wily as a jackal, he is so stupid that he sits on his awl and beats himself for stealing it.


He laments that he cannot tan his own skin.

He knows that nothing beyond his last, and the shortest way to deal with him is to beat him with a shoe of his own making.


Old shoes should be offered to the shoemaker’s god

Stich, Stitch is the note of the cobbler’s quarter; Stink Stink of the street where the tanners live.


The Chamar’s wife goes barefoot, but his daughter, when he has just attained puberty, is as graceful as an ear of millet.

There is no hiding the belly from the midwife (Chamar’s wife knows everything)


Chamar is inquiring after the health of the  village headman’s buffalo ( a humorous allusion to the practice of poisoning animals with arsenic)


Anti- Doms (Scavengers,Executioners, Basket makers, Professional burglars; in Tamil Nadu they were called Pariahs; in Maharashtra Mahars, the Dheds)


Dom is the Lord of Death (they supply wood for the funeral pyre)

He is ranked with Brahmans and goats as a creature useless in time of need.


He is a friend of all castes:-

Kanjar steals his dog;

Gujar loots his house;

Barber shaves him for nothing;

Jolaahaa makes him a suit of clothes.


If donkeys could excrete sugar, Doms would no longer be beggars.


A Dom in a palanquin and a Brahmin on foot (Society turned upside down)

Every village has a Brahman’s street and every village has a Pariah street


A palm tree casts no shade; a Pariah has no rule or castes


He that breaks his word is a Paraih at heart


If a Pariah offers a boiled rice, will not the God take it?

My comments:–

Foreign invaders described this caste as the remnants of a Dravidian tribe crushed out of recognition by the invading Aryans and condemned to menial occupations. Sir Grierson said that they are the ancestors of the European Gipsies and the Rom or Romany is nothing more than a variant of Dom. This shows how hard the foreign invaders tried to drive a wedge between different Hindu castes; one would wonder whether they are scholars or crooks. Every society, every culture has people of different vocations. Some foreigners have said that Indus Valley Civilization is the source of Caste system.


These were recorded 100 years ago in the book:

The People of India by Sir Herbert Risely, London, 1915.


……to be continued



Demolishing Dravidian Demon Theories! (Post No.3067)


Dracula from a film

Written by London swaminathan

Date: 16th August 2016

Time uploaded in London: 10-14 AM

Post No.3067

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Foreign invaders who wanted to make India their permanent colony and destroy Hinduism wrote that India was invaded by the Aryans at one time. Strangely the invaders identified themselves with the Aryans. At the same time they instigated the so called Dravidians to agitate against the north Indians. The whole world knew about their motto “Divide and Rule”.


Most of the Hindus have never read their scriptures in full and most of the Tamils have never read the ancient Sangam Tamil literature in full. But reading all the ancient Hindu scriptures  — I am using the word READING not studying—is an impossible task to anyone. Because before the Greeks started writing in Greek , before the Romans started writing in Latin, before Moses and Jesus started speaking in one or other Semitic languages, Hindus wrote hundreds of books. If anyone draws a line around 800 BCE as the cut-off date, these languages wont be there. Tamil literature came later around first century BCE


Since no one was able to master the scriptures, foreigners wrote all the fanciful rubbish things about Hinduism citing one or two verses from thousands of books, mostly out of context. In ancient Tamil and Sanskrit literature ‘Aryan’ meant a cultured, civilized person or saints living in the Himalayas. But foreign invaders gave a racial tone to this word. Dravidian meant a southerner and the invaders gave a new bad connotation.


They dubbed all the black skinned, snub nosed, curly haired, egg shape eyed, short fellows as Dravidians. While identifying themselves with fair skinned north Indians, foreign invaders sympathised with the Dravidians saying that they were driven out of their homeland by the Aryans. In all their writings they showed Dravidians as uncivilized and uncultured people. They also said that the Dravidians were shown as demons in Hindu literature.


Since Hindus never read any book in full, most of them believed what the invaders said without any scrutiny. If anyone reads read the Hindu scriptures one would know what the that the scriptures say. The scriptures say who were the demons and how come they became demons. They also showed that demons and angels were cousins and their behaviour only made them demons. They also showed that they were liberated from the “demonship”.

I have given many examples in my previous articles (see the links below). I will add two more from the Ramayana where the demons turned Gandharvas, turned again into Gandharvas.


1.Demon Viradha says to Rama:-

“Thorugh a curse, I had to assume the monstrous shape of a titan, but in reality I am the Ganharva Tumburu, who incurred the wrath of Kuvera. He cursed me to become a demon because of my attachment to Ramba. That glorious God propitiated by me, said: When Rama overcomes you in fight, you will assume the natural form. By your grace I am delivered from this curse and shall now return to my abode”

Aranya Kanda, Chapter 4, Valmiki Ramayana


2.Demon Kabandha says:

“O Rama, on a certain occasion I incurred the wrath of a great Rishi named Sthulashira, whom I tormented in this loathsome shape, whilst he was gathering wild fruits. Fixing gaze on me , he pronounced a terrible curse on me to remain in this ugly shape till I am killed by you. This ugly form came to me by another curse of Indra in the battle field.”


In the end he regained his original shape of a Gandharva.


Still from James Bond film


In stories like as Kalmasapada in the Mahabharata, we see even kings becoming Rakshasa (demon).

In short demons are not Dravidians or a separate race. Even a cultured, educated person like Ravana is depicted as a demon when he acquired more bad qualities.

If we go deeper into Hindu literature we come to know they also worshipped the same gods and received big boons from the same gods worshipped by the Devas (angles).

–Aranya Kanda, Chapter 71


Who is a Demon? Asuras,Rakshas, Danavas and Daityas
Research article No.1381; Dated 31 October 2014.


Dictionary of Demons

Research article No.1362; Dated 21st October 2014.

Eighteen groups of Indians!

Research article No.1390; Dated 4 November 2014.





Black Antelope in Manu: Strange Facts- Part 3 (Post No.3047)


black buck antelope deer 

Research Article Written by london swaminathan

Date: 9th    August 2016

Post No. 3047

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Manu says,

God’s Country:

“The country that Gods made between the two divine rivers Sarasvati and Drsadvati is what they call the Land of Veda (Brahmavarta).

Manu 2-17

The conduct of the classes (four) and the intermediary classes in that country, handed down from one person to another, is called the conduct of good people.

Manu 2-18

The field of the Kurus, the Matsyas, the Pancalas and Surasenakas constitute the country of Priestly sages (Brahmarsi Desa), right next to the Land of the Veda

Manu 2-19


My comments

Since Manu refers to perennial river Sarasvati he must have lived long long ago.

The areas he mentioned falls under Indus Valley Civilisation. He says that is the Land of Veda. So Indus valley and Vedic Civilisation are one and the same.


He mentioned the above two rivers as divine, so he must have lived during Vedic times. We have to note that Ganges is not mentioned!


Antelope Land!

From the eastern sea to the western sea, the area in between the two mountains (Himalayas and Vindhyas) is what wise men call the Land of the Noble ones.

Manu 2-22

Where the black antelope ranges by nature, that should be known as the country fit for sacrifices; and beyond it is the country of the Mlechas.

Manu 2-23


No Ganges River!

The above passages raise lot of questions:-

1.Why did not Manu mention the holiest river Ganges when he mentioned Sarasvati and Drsadvati?

2.For whom Did Manu write his code?

3.Where did the Land of the Mlechas begin? And who were the Mlechas?


  1. If Manu has written only for the land between the Vindhyas and Himalayas, what happened to the South Indians? Did civilised people live at that time in the South or not?


My comments:

Ganges River is one of the rivers in the Rig Veda; not the holiest of the holy rivers. So can we take that Manu lived well before the Epic age?

Manu mentioned the land where black bucks roam is the holy place fit for sacrifices. We know that it roamed from Nepal to South India. So South is also a holy place?


If Manu had written only for the noble people between the two seas and two mountains why should others bother about it?


Is there any proof to show that someone was ill treated or harmed for violating Manu’s code? No, definitely not in ancient times. Even the Ramayana reference to a Shudra doing penance and Rama punishing him is considered a later addition or interpolation according to the scholars. They point out that it is in gross contradiction to the picture of Rama’s relationship with Sabari and Guha.


Ganges Mystery!!

Ganga Mystery can be solved by dividing the period into two: Holy Saraswati period and Holy Ganga period; when Saraswati River completely dried up and disappeared without leaving a trace or imprint Ganga came into prominence. There is another way of looking at it. Bhagiratha , the king cum the greatest Hindu civil engineer planned and executed the diversion of River Ganga into the present Gangetic plains. Earlier kings failed in this. So Ganga became holy and prominent only after some period. We have to find out when. Manu did not give any prominence to River Ganges. So he must have lived in the Saraswati period. Ikshwaku came after Vaivaswata Manu. And Bhagiratha was the 54th ruler in the Ikshwaku dynasty. So there is a gap of 1500 to 2000 years (Western Kings ruled only for 20 years on an average. But Hindu kings ruled for 30 to 40 years on an average.)

(Please read my research article: “Great Engineers of Ancient India”, posted on 25 June 2011)


Bones in Indus Valley

It is very interesting that black antelope’s bones are discovered in Indus Valley civilisation. Can we take it that Rishis—ancient seers – raised them in their Ashramas in the Indus valley?


Half baked Westerners and their Indian pawns placed Manu in second century BCE. But Manu talks about perennial Sarasvati and sale of Soma herbs! Manu definitely wont fit into this period.


Mlechas in Tamil

Mlechas (barbarians) according to 2000 year old Sangam Tamil literature are ‘Yavanas’ from Rome, Greece and Arabian land. So the mention of Mlechas by Manu is not about Dravidians of the South. Cunning and divisive foreigners attributed this word to the Dravidians. Non Tamil speakers were called Mlechas by the Tamils.


Holy Ganges is praised sky high by Tamil Sangam literature, where as Ganges is not found in Manu. So there must be a wide gap between the Sangam period and Period of Manu.


Picture of a Mlecha in Barhut, 2nd Century BCE

The treatment of the Ganges and the Mlechas in two different ways in two different languages show the big time gap between the Manu Smrti and Sangam Literature of first three centuries of our period.


In short, the geography and the beliefs and customs of the people mentioned by Manu, place him well before the second century BCE that is attributed to it by the foreigners.


The biggest blunder is that the foreigners try to cramp Buddha, Mahavira and 1001 Smrti writers, litterateurs, writers of Ramayana , Mahabharata, Puranas, medical treatises – all into a period of 600 years or so. It is not reasonable and there is no evidence for such a thing in any other civilisation.


If we apply the same scale to other civilisations, this theory will fall flat. Max Muller’s theory that ‘a language changes every 200 years’ is not applied anywhere in the world except Sanskrit. Even if we apply it to Tamil, all the dates of Tamil literature will collapse and hang in balance!


In short, foreigners thought Hindus are simpletons and tried to foist  their rubbish theories on us like they do dump today all the unwanted, banned medicines and pesticides on us. They polluted the world with all tobacco smoking, firing arms, nuclear explosions, burning coal and petrol. And today they advise us that we should do this or shouldn’t do that. It is the same with their writings and theories as well!


Read my earlier article:

“Yavana(Mlechas) Mystery in Tamil Literature”, posted on 31 July 2014.





Indian Grammar Wonder! (Post No.3008)


Statues of Agastya in Indonesia

Research Article written by London Swaminathan

Date:26 July 2016

Post No. 3008

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Statue of Agastya in Nepal

There is a beautiful verse in Tamil:


If there is no literature, no grammar;

If there is no sesame seed, there is no oil;

Like we extract oil from the seeds

We get grammar from literature

–Peragathyam (Big+Agastyam)


All of us are familiar with the chicken and egg question which came first? Chicken or Egg?

We are familiar with the question whether man came first or woman came first?

We have an answer at least for this question.

Adam came first and he made Eve out of his left rib. This story was copied from the Hindu scriptures. Atma became Adam and Jiivatmaa became Eve (atma) in the Old Testament (I have already dealt with it in my post “Sanskrit in the Bible”).


Hindus say that Parvati was the left side of Shiva and that form is known as Ardha Naareeswar (Half Shiva and Half Parvati/Uma). This is also basis for the ‘left rib’ story of Adam. Left always denotes woman in Hindu literature.


There is another story about Brahma falling in love with his own daughter. Stupid foreigners dubbed this as “Incest” without understanding the symbolism. This is again the basis for the Adam and Eve story. Adam fell in love with his own daughter created out of his left rib. This is copied again from the Brahma’s ‘incest’ story.


Going back to the original topic, which came first, Grammar or Literature? Tamils are very clear about it: Literature came first and then Grammar was done on the basis of existing literature. Later writers followed that grammar. After 1000 years they dropped some rules and invented new rules as we see in Tamil and Sanskrit.


Statue of Agastya in London V and A Museum

Both the languages were created by Lord Shiva from the same root (Sounds from his kettle drum). Foreigners who wanted to divide India invented two families –Aryan family and Dravidian family of languages which is wrong. Both the languages belong to the same family. Thousands of Tamil words are in English which has a known relationship with Sanskrit. This is possible because Tamil and Sanskrit belonged to the same family ( I have dealt with it in my previous research paper)


Great Grammar Wonder!

Agastya, a saint who lived in the Himalayas was sent by Lord Shiva to the South to codify a grammar for the Tamil language. We have inscriptional, archaeological and literary proof in Tamil epigraphs, Agastya Statues in South East Asia and literary evidence in Kalidasa and Tamil literature in support of this belief.


If we go by the Tamil verse that literature came first, we accept that there was literature in Tamil even before Agastya was sent to the South. The scholars believe that this happened between 700 BCE and 1000 BCE. Unfortunately, Tamils lost their books and their literature and the existing ones start only from first century BCE. One grammarian known as Tolkappiar , believed to be a disciple of Agastya wrote the grammar for Tamil – Tolkappiam which is used until today. But original Agastya couldn’t have been his Guru. Tolkappiam betrays a later age. One thing is certain that Tamils had literature before Agastya came. Tolkappiar had 12 contemporary grammarians including Agastya.


Sanskrit wonder!

If we apply the Tamil verse that literature came before grammar, we can see a big wonder. Panini was the oddest grammarian in the world. But he himself referred to ten other great grammarians. We did not have those grammars. If we accept the date of Panini as seventh century BCE. We must accept lot of books existed at that time; unfortunately, we did not have any work except the Vedic literature. The oldest book in the world — the Rig Veda– is dated between 1400 BCE and 6000 BCE. Even if we accept 1400 BCE, then another wonder awaits us. There are grammatical terms in Vedic literature which shows that there was a grammar. It was referred to in a religious book! This again means another thing that literature existed even before the Vedas.


Remember: Before Grammar was literature!


Another coincidence is that some of the names mentioned by Panini are found in the Vedic literature too. But we don’t know whether they are just saints with the same names or saints cum grammarians.


Pre- Paninian grammarians include Apisali, Kasyapa, Gargya, Galava, Cakravarmana, Bharadvaja, Sakatayana, Sakalya, Senaka and Sphotayana.


Yaska of 8th century BCE refers to the works of Saakataayana, Kraustuki, Gragya and several others.


Another wonder is that it shows that Hindus were far more advanced than any other civilization in the world 3500 years ago. Language (Sanskrit), Literature (Vedas), Linguistics (Yaska’s Nirukta) and Grammar (Panini) are the yard sticks of a civilisation. In the above four fields no language of today or ancient days comes closer to Sanskrit. Moreover this is the status after losing hundreds of Shakas (branches ) of the Vedas and thousands of books.


Long Live Tamil and Sanskrit.

Tribes in the Rig Veda; Mystery of Hill Tribes of India – Part 9 (Post No.3005)


Research Article Written by London swaminathan

Date:25 July 2016

Post No. 3005

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Part 8 was published here on 25th of July. First part contains a detailed introduction.


The oldest religious book in the world is the Rig Veda which is in Sanskrit. It covers a huge geographical area—from Iran to Gangetic plains of India. It is dated 1400 BCE by some and 6000 BCE by German scholar Jacobi and Indian scholar and freedom fighter B G Tilak. Nobody could dispute that date which is based on astronomical data. Even if we accept the date 1400 BCE, there is no book that comes closer to the Rig Veda in geographical details or ethnographic information. It is amazing to see the rivers listed from the Holy Ganga in the East and remote rivers in Afghanistan. It is more amazing to see the number of ethnic groups in the Veda. These details explode the Arya – Dravidian myth.


Tamils , Greeks and Latin speakers had no books when Vedas were composed. Hebrew had very little in the Old Testament of the Bible, just after the Vedas. Chinese wrote something. Though the Sumerian, Egyptian and a few other extinct languages had some records or inscriptions they did not have anything worth the name of literature or higher thoughts that are found in the Vedas.


Vedic Gods and Sanskrit names and Sanskrit numbers were recorded in inscriptions from 1400 BCE. So we have archaeological proofs as well (Please read my previous articles for precise information or go to Wikipedia and look for Mitanni civilization, Boghazkoy inscriptions, Dasaratha letters of Egypt and Kikkuli Horse Manual).


Amazing number of Tribes
The tribes found in the Vedas are listed by A A Macdonell and A B Keith in the “Vedic Index of Names and Subjects”. Shrikant G.Talageri has written about the migratory routes of Vedic Hindus from India to various parts of the world in his book “The Rig Veda – A Historical Analysis”.

Following are the names of the tribes found in the Vedic Literature:

Anga, Aja, Anu, Andhra, Aambashya

Udiichya, Usinaara, Kamboja, Kaaraskara

Kaasi, Kikata, Kuru, Krivi, Gandhaari, Cedi

Turvaasa, Trstu, Druhyu, Nisaada, Naisadha

Paktha, Panchajanaah, Paancaala, Parsu

Paaraavata, Pulinda, Pundra, Puru, Prthu

Praacya, Balhiika, Bahiikha, Bharata, Bhalaanas

Magada, Matsya, Madra, Mahavaavrsa

Muuciiba / muutiba/ muuvipa, Muujavant

Yaksu, Yadu, Rusama, Vanga, Varaikha

Vasa, Videha, Vidarbha, Visaanin, Vrcivant

Vaikarna, Saphaala, Sabara, Saalva, Sigru, Sibi

Simyu, Siva, Siesta, Suuraksenaka, Svikna, iva

Satvant, Salva, Srnjaya, Sparsu


Over sixty tribes are listed. Later they became the names of kingdoms. We find many of them in the Mahabharata as well.

Ramayana has Kosala , Videha, Kishkinda, Sri Lanka etc. If Mahabharata and Ramayana taken together, it shows the vastness of this country.

The questions Rig Veda and other Vedic materials raise are:

How many centuries it would have taken to get these many number of tribes/groups?

How many centuries it would have taken to cover a vast area from Bengal in the East to Iran in the West and Andhra in the South?

How many centuries it would have taken to attain the maturity we see in the tenth Mandala of the Rig Veda?

They pray for peace for the entire mankind.

If we go by BG Tilak’s theory it covers even North Pole.

All these things coldn’t have happened overnight. So one is right in saying that they lived in this country for thousands of years before dividing themselves into various groups and establish kingdoms in their names (such as Vanga, Anga, Magada, Andhra etc).

They would have taken several thousand years to establish kingdoms from Iran to Ganga in Bengal and Bihar.

We have references to Rig Vedic Kings giving camels as gifts. Plants and animals of Tropical areas are mentioned more than the temperate areas in the oldest part of the Vedas. Over 400 poets (Rishi) names are in the Rig Veda alone. Over 1000 hymns are there in the Rig Veda alone. There is no book in the world to compare with the Rig Veda around 1400 BCE.

vedic route

This proves the oldest country in the world is India and the oldest race in the world is the Hindus. The greatest contribution of the Vedic Hindus is the decimal system and the domestication of cows. The bulls in the Indus seals prove that it is part of Vedic civilisation. When the world was drinking camel milk and donkey milk the Hindu genius found that the cow’s milk is the closest one to mother’s milk. They are proved right until today. Decimal system is found in the Rig Vedic hymns in innumerable places. Cow is the holiest of the holy animals in the Vedas. Milk and Honey were used as food by the Vedic saints. Without decimal numbers and the Hindu maths and cow’s milk, the world wouldn’t have progressed even an inch.

I wrote that the hill tribes and advanced city civilisation existed simultaneously and gave references from the Hindu epics. Now the tribal names in the Vedic literature also proved my theory.


Mystery of the Indian Hill Tribes – Part 8 (Post No.3002)


Picture of a Lama Woman

Research Article Written by London swaminathan

Date:25 July 2016

Post No. 3002

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Part 7 was published here on 11th of July. First part contains a detailed introduction.



Following are taken from the People of India written by Sir Herbert Risley, Director of Ethnography for India, Year 1915 with my comments



Kaamaars, Blacksmiths of Bihar (Plate 28)


Lohaars , the ordinary blacksmiths of Northern India  working in iron only, whereas Kaamaars work on iron and gold as well. I Eastern Bengal they make brass cooking vessels as well. Hence they hold a higher rank than the Lohaars, and Brahmans will take water from their hand. They pride themselves on not allowing their women to wear noserings. Like other artisan castes, they worship Visvakarma, the Divine architect of the Universe, who is often represented by the hammer, anvil, and other tools used in their handicraft.


My comments:-

First, note the caste names Kaamaars and lohaars are Sanskrit names (Karmaara, Loha kara)

If they are non Aryans, if they are Shudras, why there are so many differences between themselves? If they are Dravidians, how come they worship Visvakarma, the Vedic God? So the division of Aryan- Dravidian is a pure concoction of foreigners.


Lama Woman, Mongoloid Type, (Plate 30)

Laama is a Tibetan word meaning “Superior One”, and was formerly restricted to the head of a monastery. It is now strictly applicable only to abbots and to the higher class of Buddhist monks. In many places the first born son is often dedicated to the profession of religion.  As in the case of the lady in the illustration, to use the words of Lt.Col. Waddel , “Their inveterate craving for material  protection against malignant gods and demons has caused them to pin their faith on charms and amulets, which are to be seen everywhere dangling from the dress of every man, woman and child.


My comments:

Their beliefs, customs and jewels are completely different from other communities. They are classified as of  Mongoloid race. What makes them Mongoloid? Customs? Facial features? Amulets and Charms are even in the Atharva Veda. First son is dedicated to religion/ Is it Aryan or Dravidian? All the divisions are artificial and man-made. Differences are there in every big geographical area. Great Britain has four prominent ethnic groups: Scottish, Welsh, English and Irish. But they are united under British. The same people who merged ethnicities under the term ‘British’, divided Hindu races as Aryans, Dravidians and Mongolians etc.


Totemism in Bengal

One more instance of totemism in Bengal deserves special notice here, as it shows the usage maintaining its ground among people of far higher social standing than any of the castes already mentioned. The Kumhaars of Orissa take rank immediately below the Karan or writer caste, and thus have only two or three large castes above them. They are divided into two two endogamous sub castes – Jagannathi and Oriya Kumhars who work standing  and make large earthern pots, and Khattya Kumhars who turn the wheel sitting and make small earthern pots or cups.

For matrimonial purposes the Jagannathi Kumhars are subdivided into the following exogamous sections:–


Jagannathi Kumhaar

Name of Section – Totem

Kaundinya – Tiger

Sarpa – Snake

Neul – Weasel

Goru – Cow

Mudir – Frog

Bhadbhadria – Sparrow

Kurmaa – Tortoise


My comments:-

Even the potters’ castes have Sanskrit totem names and caste names. Foreigners could not digest this. They are considered lower in rank, “Dravidian” in appearance! But have Rishi’s name (Kaundinya) and Sanskrit caste names (Kumhaars = kumbakara). Foreigners struggled to find a reason and at last aid “ probably they borrowed” them. This is how they fooled all Indians and divided India into races and classes.


In the next article I will list all the Vedic Tribes.

To be continued……………..




Mystery of Tribes in India- Part 1!(Post No.2910)

tribe 1

Research Article written by London swaminathan


Date: 20  June 2016


Post No. 2910


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tribe 2

Foreigners who came to rule India, divided Indians (Hindus) into two races Aryan and Dravidian; when their description met with some problems they created more groups such as Munda, Mongoloid and Aborigines. But neither the Sangam Tamil literature nor the older Sanskrit literature said anything about races. On the contrary they divided people into 18 groups and said that they all came from the same ancestors. Asuras (demons) and Devas (angels) prayed to the same Gods and got their boons. Asuras died because of their inherent weakness and bad qualities. Devas flourished because of their virtues.


Foreigners when classified the tribes put them in some boxes such as Dravidian, Aryan, Munda etc. But those who studied the customs of the tribes will be surprised to know that all have something common taken from Hinduism.

When you read about the tribes following questions will come into your mind:–

Where did they come from?

Why are they ‘uncivilized’ till today?

If they had come from the Indus Valley (according to divisive, cunning, jaundiced foreigners, “they are driven out by the invading Aryans”) why don’t they speak one language? Why do they speak different languages?

How come there is no common link among the languages?

tribe 3

tribe 5


If they have come from the civilized Indus valley how come all the tribes became uncivilized?

How come they have Sanskrit in their Gods names or totem Symbol names? (Please wait for more details in the following days)


Why don’t they worship the same God?

How come they claim different origins/ different ancestors?

Why are their marriage customs, funeral customs, taboos and totems differ very widely?

How come in a small area (for instance Nilgris) there are different tribes with different customs?

How come there are cannibals (jarawas) in the Andaman Nicobar Islands?


Why didn’t we find skulls or skeletons with similar features of these tribes or the so called Dravidians?

How come we found only so called ‘Aryan’ skeletons (with modern Punjabi features) in the Indus Valley Civilization?

tribe 6


tribe 8


tribe 10

My brief answer is:–

Even during Ramayana and Mahabharata times, tribes lived simultaneous with the epic/city civilization. We have enough proofs in the epics (Please read my articles Are Mayas Indian Nagas? Similarities between Nagas and Mayans, Origin of Gondwana )


I have already shown Gonds are from the Khandava vana burnt by Arjuna and Krishna; Mayans also were from the Gond+wana= Khandava Vana land.


Aborigines or tribes must have lived even during Indus Valley time. Bhimbetka cave paintings show that there were people living in the heart of India 20,000 years before the Indus Valley Civilization!

The reason for differences in the languages and customs is that they have been living here for very long time in isolation/independently.


I have been reading about the tribes of India for the past 45 years. There were articles in Dinamani Sudar and Manjari in regular periodicity. Even the word Munda is Sanskrit according to Sir Herbert Risley (Author of The People of India, year 1908) I am going to present you over thirty pictures of the ancient people of Bharat from Risley’s 100 year old book. You yourself decide after seeing their dress, jewellery, totems etc.



These are about a few tribal communities of North East India. Even within these three communities we see so many differences in hair style, jewellery, appearance etc. In the civilized Hindu society one can easily differentiate a married woman from unmarried woman. by looking at the toe ring (Metti in Tamil), Mangala Sutra (Thaali in Tamil), Madisarai style of Sari, Kunkum/Tilak on the parting of hair etc. In the first picture KHAMPTI female the hair style shows whether she is married or not where as in other tribal communities we dont see it. This will raise lot of questions about their origin.


……to be continued


“ஆரிய” சப்தத்தின் பிரயோகம் (Post No.2887)


Article written by London swaminathan


Date: 11 June 2016


Post No. 2887


Time uploaded in London :– 6-10 AM


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Please read my (London Swaminathan) articles posted earlier:

1.Aryan Hitler and Hindu Swastika

2.Sibi Story in Old Tamil Literature

3.Were Moses and Jesus Aryans? (Two Parts)

4.திராவிடக் காகமும் ஆரியக் கொக்கும் (in Tamil)

5.சோழர்கள் தமிழர்களா?? (In Tamil)

  1. ஆரிய ஹிட்லரும் ஹிந்து ஸ்வஸ்திகாவும்(in Tamil)

7.திராவிடர்கள் யார்? (July 17, 2013)

8.தமிழன் காதுல பூ!!! (March 25, 2012)

9.ஆரிய சப்பாத்தியும் திராவிட தோசையும் (August 14, 2013)

10.ஆரிய ஜீன் —- திராவிட ஜீன் ஆராய்ச்சி முடிவுகள்(December 29, 2013)

11.Eighteen groups of Indians! (November 4, 2013)

12.‘Dravidians are Invaders’ ( December 26, 2013)

13.Aryan, Non Aryan Issue in Murder Attack in Britain! (November 10, 2013)

14.Arya Putra Ravana Spoke Sanskrit! Hanuman spoke Prakrta! (Research Article No.1848; Date: 6 May 2015)

15.Brahmin Kings of Sri Lanka! (Article No.1854; Dated 9 May 2015.)

16.Were Moses and Jesus ‘Aryans’? (July 20, 2013)

17.Were Moses and Jesus ‘Aryans’? (Part 2)

(July 23, 2013)

18.Are these customs Aryan or Dravidian?

(July 2, 2013)

19.Aryan Chapatti and Dravidian Dosa!

(August 14, 2013)

20.Who are Dravidians? (July 17, 2013)



ஆரிய என்ற சொல் சங்க இலக்கியத்தில் இமயத்தில் வாழும் முனிவர்களைக் குறிக்கப் பயன்பட்டது. பிற்கால இலக்கியங்களில், வடக்கில் வாழும் மக்களையும், சம்ஸ்கிருத மொழியையும் குறிக்கப் பயன்பட்டது. இந்தியாவைப் பிளந்து, மதத்தை நிலைநாட்ட வந்தவர்கள், இதற்கு இனப்பூச்சு பூசி, திராவிடர் என்றால் பூர்வ குடி மக்கள், ஆரியர் என்றால் கைபர் கணவாய் வழியாகக் குடியேறியவர்கள் என்று விஷமத் தனமான புதுப் பொருள் கற்பித்தனர். ஆனால் தமிழ் இலக்கியத்திலோ, சம்ஸ்கிருத இலக்கியத்திலோ இதற்கு ஆதாரம் கிடையாது. ராமாயணத்தில், ராமனை சீதை, ‘ஆரிய’ என்று அழைப்பார். மாண்புமிகு, மரியாதைக்குரிய என்று இதற்குப் பொருள். நூறு ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன், தமிழ் நாவல் எழுதியவர்களும், வெளியிட்டவர்களும், ஆரிய சிகாமணிகளே, ஆரிய சிரேஷ்டர்களே என்று, வாசகப் பெருமக்களை அழைத்துள்ளனர். ‘மெத்தப் படித்தவர்களே’, ‘பண்பாடுடுடையவர்களே’ – என்று பொருள்.


ஆரிய என்ற சொல் மருவி ‘ஐயர்’ (உயர்ந்தோர்) என்று ஆயிற்று (ஆர்ய= அஜ்ஜ= அய்யர்= ஐயர்).


சில சுவையான சம்ஸ்கிருத ஸ்லோகங்கள் ‘ஆரிய’ – என்ற சொல்லின் பிரயோகத்தை விளக்குகின்றன:–


கர்தவ்யம் ஆசரன்  கார்யம் அகர்த்வ்யம் அநாசரன்

திஷ்டதி ப்ரக்ருதாசாரே ச வா ஆர்ய  இதி ஸ்ம்ருத:

தர்ம விதிகளைக் கடைப்பிடிப்பவன், அதர்ம விதிகளை அனுசரிக்காதவன், நடைமுறை விதிகளைக் கடைப்பிடிப்பவன் ஆர்யன் என்று கருதப்படுவான்.


வாச்யௌ நடீசூத்ரதாராவார்ய நாம்னா பரஸ்பரம்

வயஸ்யேத்யுத்தமைர்வாச்யோ மத்யாரார்யதி சாக்ரஜ:


(வக்தவ்யோ) அமாத்ய ஆர்யேதி சேதரை:

ஸ்வேச்சயானாமபிர்விப்ரார்விப்ர  ஆர்யேதி சேதரை:


நாடகத்தில் நடிகரும், சூத்ரதாரியும் (டைரக்டர்) ஒருவரை ஒருவர் ‘ஆர்ய’ என்று அழைக்கலாம் (இதை காளிதாசன் நாடகங்களில் காணலாம்).


வயதில் குறைந்தவர்கள் மூத்தவர்களை ஆர்ய எனலாம்.மந்திரிகளை ஆர்ய (மாண்புமிகு) என்று கூப்பிட வேண்டும். பிராமணர்கள் விருப்பத்தின்பேரில் மற்றவர்களை ஆர்ய என்று அழைக்கலாம்.


வீடு எது? காடு எது?

வீடு என்றால் பவனம். இதில் ‘ப’ என்ற எழுத்து போய்விட்டால் அது ‘வனம்’—அதாவது காடு. இதை விளக்கும் அழகிய சம்ஸ்கிருத ஸ்லோகம் இதோ:

யன் மனீஷி பதாம்போஜரஜ: கணபவித்ர்ரிதம்

தத்தேவ பவனம் நோ சேத்பகாரஸ்தத்ர லுப்யதே

பூதம் ஹி தத் க்ருஹம் யத்ர ஸ்வதாகார ப்ரவர்த்ததே



எந்த வீட்டில் ஞானிகளின் பாததூளி படுகிறதோ, எந்த வீட்டில் ஸ்வதா என்ற வேத மந்திரத்துடன் நீத்தார் (இறந்தோர்) கடன் நடைபெறுகிறதோ அது பவனம் (வீடு); மற்றதனைத்தும் வனம்!

(அரும் பத விளக்கம்:–மனீஷி= அறிஞர்கள், ஞானிகள்; கண=பாத தூளி, பத+அம்புஜ= பாத கமலங்கள், திருவடிகள்; பூதம்= புனிதமாக்கப்பட்ட)




வரலாறு கூறும் அற்புத ரிக்வேதப் பாடல்!


கட்டுரையை எழுதியவர் :– லண்டன் சுவாமிநாதன்
ஆராய்ச்சிக் கட்டுரை எண்- 1416; தேதி 17 நவம்பர், 2014.

ரிக் வேதம் உலகிலேயே பழமையான நூல். அதில் பத்து மண்டலங்கள் உள்ளன. மொத்தம் 1028 துதிப்பாடல்கள் இருக்கின்றன. அவைகளில் 10,552 மந்திரங்கள் உள.

பல அதிசயங்கள் நிறந்தது ரிக் வேதம். அது என்ன அதிசயம்?
உலகிலேயே முதல் முதலாகத் தொகுக்கப்பட்ட நூல் என்னும் பெருமையுடைத்து.
உலகிலேயே முதல் முதலாக ‘’இண்டெக்ஸ்’’ INDEX போட்ட நூல் இதுதான். அதாவது எல்லா ஆங்கில நூல்களிலும் கடைசி பக்கத்துக்குப் போனீர்களானால் அதிலுள்ள விஷயங்களை அகர வரிசையில் சொல் குறிப்பு அகராதி என்று கொடுத்திருப்பர். இதை ‘’அணுக்ரமணி’’ என்ற பெயரில் உலகிற்குச் சொல்லிக் கொடுத்தது நம்மவர்களே. எந்தெந்த ரிஷி எந்த மந்திரத்தைக் ‘’கண்டுபிடித்தார்’’, எந்தக் கடவுளின் பெயரில் பாடினார் என்றெல்லாம் பல்லாயிரம் வருஷங்களுக்கு முன்னர் எழுதவேண்டு மானால் அவர்களுடைய விசாலமான புத்தியை எண்ணி வியக்காமல் இருக்க முடியுமா? ( ரிஷிகள் என்போர் மந்திர த்ருஷ்டா= மந்திரங்களைக் கண்டவர்கள்; எழுதியவர்கள் அல்ல)

400—க்கு மேற்பட்ட ரிஷிகளின் பெயர்களையும் அப்படியே நமக்குக் கொடுத்துள்ளனர்.

இன்னொரு அதிசயமும் உண்டு. உலகில் எந்த நூலையும் நாலு கூறு போட்டு நாலு மாணவர்களை அழைத்து இதை ‘’எழுதக்கூடாது. ஆனால் மனப்பாடமாகப் பரப்ப வேண்டும்’’ என்று யாரும் சொன்னதில்லை. வியாசர் என்னும் மாமுனிவன் மட்டும் இப்படி உத்தரவிட்டதும் அதை அவர்கள் சிரமேல் கொண்டு இன்று வரை நமக்குக் வாய் மொழியாகக் கொடுத்து வருவதும் உலகம் காணாத புதுமை. சுமேரியாவிலோ எகிப்திலோ களிமண்ணிலும் சுவற்றிலும் எழுதாவிடில் அனைத்தும் அழிந்திருக்கும் ஆனால் நம்மவர் மனப்பாடமாக இன்று வரை அதைக் காப்பாற்றி வந்தது நம் திறமைக்கு ஒரு சான்று.

இதில் வேறு பல ரகசியங்கள் இருப்பதாலும் எதையும் நேரடியாகச் சொல்லாமல் ரகசியமாகச் சொல்வதானாலும் சங்க காலத் தமிழர்கள் இதற்கு ‘’மறை’’ என்றும், ‘’எழுதாக் கிளவி’’ என்றும் பெயர் சூட்டி அகம் மகிழ்ந்தனர், உளம் குளிர்ந்தனர்.

இதில் உள்ள கணித ரகசியங்கள் பற்றியும் மிகப் பெரிய எண்கள் பற்றியும் தனியே கொடுத்து விட்டேன். இன்று 38 பெயர்களையும் ஏழு புதிர்களையும் உள்ளடக்கிய ஒரு விஷயத்தை மட்டும் பார்ப்போம்.

ரிக்வேதத்தில் ஏழாவது மண்டலத்தில் வசிஷ்டர் என்னும் ரிஷியும் அவர் வழிவந்தவர்களும் பாடிய துதிப்பாடல்கள் இடம் பெறும். இதில் 18ஆவது துதியில் 25 மந்திரங்கள் உள. தமிழில் பரணர் பாடிய ஒவ்வொரு பாடலிலும் ஒரு வரலாற்று செய்தியைத் தருவார் ( எனது பழைய கட்டுரையில் மேல் விவரம் காண்க: வரலாறு எழுதிய முதல் தமிழன்).

அது போல இப்பாடலில் 38 விஷயங்களை அள்ளிக் கொடுத்து விட்டார் வசிட்டன். இதில் உள்ள பல விஷயங்கள் புதிர்களாகவே உள்ளன. ரிஷி முனிவர்கள் பயன்படுத்தும் மறை பொருளான மரபுச் சொற்றொடர்களும், நமது அறியாமையுமே இதற்குக் காரணம் என்று இப்பகுதியை மொழிபெயர்த்த கிரிப்பித் என்ற அறிஞர் ஒப்புக்கொண்டுள்ளார்.
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இந்தத் துதிப்பாடல் இந்திரன் மீது பாடப்பட்டது. 14ஆவது மந்திரத்தில் ஒரு எண் வருகிறது. அதைச் சில அறிஞர்கள் 66,606 என்றும் இன்னும் சிலர் 6666 என்றும் மொழி பெயர்க்கின்றனர். அதன் சம்ஸ்கிருத மொழி அமைப்பு அப்படி அமைந்துள்ளது. அது சரி! இப்படிப்பட்ட வினோத எண்ணுக்கு இந்த துதியில் அவசியமே இல்லையே! ரிஷிகள் ஏதேனும் மறை பொருளைச் சொல்ல விரும்புகின்றனரா அல்லது எதுகை, மோனை விஷயங்களுக்கா கத் தங்கள் புலமையைக் காட்டுகின்றனாரா? புதிரோ புதிர்!

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தாசர்கள் என்றால் கறுப்பர்கள், அவர்கள் எல்லாம் திராவிடர்கள், ஆரியர்களால் விரட்டப்பட்டவர்கள் — என்று வெளிநாட்டார் எழுதி வைத்தனர். ஆனால் இந்தப் பாட்டு முழுதும் சு தாச என்னும் மன்னன் அடைந்த வெற்றியைப் பற்றியது. அவனுடைய அப்பா பெயர் திவோ தாச! அவன் குல குரு வசிஷ்ட மாமுனிவன். அவனுக்கு உதவியதோ இந்திரன்! புதிரோ புதிர்!

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இதே பாடலில் யுத்யாமதி என்ற ஒரு பெயர் வருகிறது. அது ஒரு மன்னன் பெயராக இருக்கலாம் என்று அறிஞர் கருதுவர். ஆனால் அவரைப் பற்றிய எந்த விஷயமும் வேறு எங்கும் கிடைத்தில. ஒரு வேளை சிந்து சமவெளியை ஆண்ட ஒரு மன்னனோ!! ( மதி-பதி-வதி: சிந்து சமவெளி மன்னர் பெயர்கள் என்ற எனது கட்டுரையில் விவரம் காண்க). புதிரோ புதிர்!

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இந்தப் பாடல் அடங்கிய ஏழாவது மண்டலம் ரிக் வேதத்தின் பழைய பகுதிகளில் ஒன்று என்று பல அறிஞர்களும் ஒப்புவர். அத்தைகயதோர் பாடலில் திடீரென யமுனை நதி பற்றி வருகிறது! ‘’கைபர் கணவாய் வழியாக வந்த ஆரியர்கள் சிந்து நதி தீரத்தில் பாடிய துதிப்பாடலகள்’’– என்று கதைத்து வந்த வெளி நாட்டு ‘’அறிஞர்கள்’’ மீது குண்டு வீசியது போல இருக்கிறது இந்த யமுனைக் குறிப்பு! அவர்களுடைய ஆரிய—திராவிட வாதங்களை ஒரு சொல்லால் தவிடு பொடியாக்கி விடுகிறது இந்த வரி.

வேதம் பற்றியும் அதிலுள்ள வரலாறு பற்றியும் எழுதி வரும் ஸ்ரீகாந்த் தலகரி என்னும் அறிஞர், வேத கால இந்துக்கள் கிழக்கில் இருந்து மேற்கே ஈரான் வரை சென்றார்கள் என்று நிரூபித்ததை இது உறுதி செய்கிறது.

சங்கத் தமிழர்களுக்கு சிந்து நதியோ, அந்தப் பகுதியோ தெரியுமா என்று சந்தேகமாகவே இருக்கிறது. அவை பற்றி சங்கப் பாடல்களில் இல்லை. ஆனால் யமுனை (தொழுநை) நதியும் கங்கை நதியும் இமய மலையும் சங்கத் தமிழர்களுக்கு மிகவும் தெரிந்த இடங்கள்!

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அஜஸ், சிக்ரூஸ், யக்ஷூஸ் என்பவர்கள் பேடா என்பவர் கீழ் இருந்தது போல என்று ஒரு வரி வருகிறது யார் இந்த பேடா? என்று தெரியவில்லை! புதிரோ புதிர்!

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‘’பசியுள்ள மீன்கள் போல’’ — என்று இடையில் திடீரென்று ஒரு வரி வருகிறது. சிலர் இதை மீன் பற்றிய உவமை என்கின்றனர். இன்னும் சில வெளிநாட்டார் இது ‘’மத்ஸ்ய’’ இனத்தினர் என்பர். மத்ஸ்ய என்ற வட சொல்லுக்கு மீன் என்ற பொருள் உண்டு. மச்சாவதாரம் என்ற சொல் நமக்குத் தெரிந்ததே. ஆக இந்த வரியும் புதிரோ புதிர்!

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ஆறாவது மந்திரத்தில் துர்வாச புரோதாச என்ற பெயர் உள்ளது. இது ஒரே பெயரா அல்லது இரண்டு பெயர்களா என்றும் அறிஞர்கள் மோதிக் கொள்வர். புதிரோ புதிர்!

இப்படி ஒரே பாடலில் பல அறிஞர்கள் பலவாறு பேசுவதை அறிந்தே, நம் அய்யன் வள்ளுவன், “எப்பொருள் யார் வாய்க் கேட்பினும் அப்பொருள் மெய்ப்பொருள் காண்பது அறிவு”– என்று செப்பினான். குறிப்பாக, வேத மந்திரங்களுக்கு ஆரிய—திராவிட விஷப் புகை தூவி மந்திரம் போடும் வெளி நாட்டாரை நம்பாது இருப்பதே நலம்!


பாடலில் என்ன சொல்கிறார் வசிட்டர்?

இந்தப் பாடல் சுதாச என்னும் மன்னன், பத்து ராஜா யுத்தத்தில் அடைந்த மாபெரும் வெற்றியைப் பாடுகிறது. எப்படி கரிகால் சோழன் ஏழு பேரை வென்று வெற்றி வாகை சூடினானோ அது போல சுதாசன் பத்து பேரை வென்று வெற்றி வாகை சூடினான். அவனுடன் போனார் வசிட்டர். அவனுக்கு உதவியது இந்திரன்!

“ஆடு சிங்கத்தை வென்றது போல வென்றான்” — என்ற உவமை இதில் இருப்பது குறித்தும் சிங்கம், பஞ்ச தந்திரக் கதைகள் போன்றவை அக்காலத்திலேயே இருந்தது என்றும் எனது முந்தைய கட்டுரையில் தந்தது உங்களுக்கு நினைவிருக்கும்.

இறுதியாக, — இதில் வரும் முப்பத்தெட்டு பெயர்கள் என்ன என்ன?

1.இந்திர, 2.வசிஷ்ட, 3.சுதாஸ், 4.சிம்யு, 5.துர்வாச, 6.புரோதாச, 7.ப்ருஹு, 8.த்ருஹ்யூஸ், 9.பக்தாஸ், 10.பலனாஸ், 11.அலினாஸ், 12.சிவாஸ், 13.விசானின்ஸ், 14.த்ருஷ்டூஸ், 15.பாருஸ்னி, 16.ப்ரிஸ்னீ, 17.வைகர்ண, 18.கவச, 19.அனு, 20.புரு 21.ஆனவாஸ், 22.பேடா, 23.யமுனா, 24.அஜஸ், 25.சிக்ரூஸ், 26.யக்ஷூஸ், 27.தேவக, 28.மன்யமான, 29.சம்பர, 30.பராசர, 31.சதாயது, 32.பைஜாவன 33.அக்னி, 34.தேவவான், 35.யுத்யாமதி, 36.திவோதாச, 37.மருத், 38.மத்ஸ்ய

இதில் பல இனங்கள் (குழுக்கள்), நதிகள், மன்னர்கள், கடவுளர் பெயர்கள் இருக்கின்றன.


அமிழ்தம், அமிழ்தம் என்று கூவுவோம் – நித்தம்
அனலைப் பணிந்து மலர் தூவுவோம்;
தமிழில் பழ மறையைப் பாடுவோம் – என்றும்
தலைமை பெருமை புகழ் கூடுவோம் — பாரதி

Why did Sumeria and Egypt worship Indra?

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Indra in Vientaine, Laos (South East Asian country)

Research Paper written by London Swaminathan
Post No.1288; Dated:14th September 2014.

Indra is the oldest God in the world worshipped until today. There are over 100,000 temples in India and millions of Brahmins all over the world. In all these places we hear Indra’s name every day. Children are named after Indra or his wife Indrani (Saci) from Nepal to Sri Lanka and all over South East Asia.

I have written umpteen articles on Indra creating an Encyclopaedia of Indra to dispel the false notion spread by foreign ‘scholars’. He is NOT an “Aryan” God from Central Asia or Siberia. He is a Hindu god from India travelling to different parts of the world. In my previous article, I published the pictures of Laos and Mongolia stamps on Indra.

My conclusion is Indra is not one person. It is a title like KING or a LEADER. Indra is also used for GOD. In ancient Hindu India, kings were considered God. We see it in the Rig Veda and 2000 year old Sangam Tamil literature.

This article gives more proof to show that Indra was worshipped as God in Egypt, Sumer and Greece.

Indra referred to a title is confirmed by Mahabharata (Santi Parva, Chapter 224) and Vayu Purana (64-6-9). While Vayu Purana allocated 14 Indras for 14 Manvanataras, Mahabharata said that there were thousands of Indras in the past (See Indra in Indian Mythology by Muralidhar Mohanty for more details).

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Wooden Sculpture of Indra and Saci from Nepal.

Foreign ‘scholars’ who did not study Tamil Tolkappiam or Mahabaharta made wrong statements that one Indra killed more than 30 demons in the Rig Veda. In fact they were not demons. Indra ‘s most celebrated episode is about killing a Brahmin !!!

We know for sure from the oldest Tamil book Tolkappaiam that Tamils worshiped the Vedic deity Indra. We know that Vedic Hindus gave top place to Indra in their worship. He is praised more than anyone else in the Vedas. But Indra worship did not stop there. Even Iranians, Sumerians, Egyptians and Greeks worshipped Indra! In their languages Indra meant The God!

In Egypt:
In Egypt “ntr” meant God. The hieroglyph ‘ntr’ meaning god is derived from a staff bound with cloth. This is Indra Dwaja (Flag of Indra) found in Ramayana and Tamil literature. Tamil epic Silappadikaram describes the Indra festival and Indra flag in great detail. Many of the ancient languages never write vowels. We have to insert vowels before reading it. “Ntr” will become Intra, if we introduce vowels into them.

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Indra Festival in Nepal

3000 Gods in Sumeria

More than 3000 deities’ names have been recovered from Mesopotamia alone. These were organised by the Mesopotamians into groups resembling households, extended families or states (See Dictionary of the Ancient Near East published by The British Museum for more details).

In Avesta, Andira meant Indra and in Tamil Andiran meant Indra. I explain them below; Indra is mentioned in a two places in Zend Avesta.

In Sumeria Andara is Indra ( See page 147 of the ‘India We have Lost’)
Laos has issued stamps for Indra and Mongolia has issued stamps for Vajrayudha! Indra’s name is found all over the world in names like Andrew etc.


Of the 27 stars, Jyeshta is one. Greeks named the star Antares, i.e Indra. In Hindu scriptures the Devata/deity for Anatres is Indra! Hindus called this red star as Jyeshta meaning ‘the eldest’. This is another proof to show that Greek name Anatres and Indra are one and the same. (Among the goddesses also there is one Jyeshta). Scholars who did not know linked Antares with Ares (Mars) without any rhyme or reason!

There is another proof from ancient Sangam Tamil literature. Oldest book Tolkappiam called Indra with the name “Vendhan” meaning The King. But Sangam Tamil literature and later books like Tirukkural used Sanskrit word Indra. But not many people know that Andiran in Sanagam Tamil literature is also Indra.

There are two verses (240 and 241) in Purananuru sung by a Brahmin woman Uraiyur Enicheri Mudamosi. She composed many poems in praise of Ay Andiran, a Tamil chieftain. Only three poets used this word Andiran — all meaning chieftain Ay Andiran.

Miss Mudomosi gives us two vital facts:

1.When Ay Andiran died his wives burnt themselves in the funeral pyre. This custom known as “Sati” was practised more in the north from the Mahabharata days. But it was not compulsory. Even in the Mahabharata days, Pandava’s mother Kunti did NOT die in funeral pyre after Pandu’s death. Dasaratha’s wives did NOT die after Dasaratha’s death as well. There are two more references to Sati in Tamil literature, which I have already dealt with.

2.When Ay Andiran died Indra’s temple drums started playing loudly to welcome him! Miss Mudamosi described very clearly “Vajara Thadakkai Nediyon Koyil” meaning the “Temple of God one who wields the weapon Vajra/thunderbolt”. Why did she suddenly mention Indra welcoming her in the heaven? This is because Andiran meant Indra. Ayu/Ay is also found throughout Mahabharata and the Puranas (Hindu Mythlogy)

Ay Andiran’s forefathers came from Dwaraka of Krishna. He belonged to Velir clan which was brought to Tamil Nadu by Agastya 3000 years ago — around 1000 BCE. Another Brahmin poet of Sangam age Kapila gave this information in Purananuru verse 201.

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Indra Festival in Nepal

Indra in the Indus Valley Civilization
The Rig-Veda identifies Indra with the bull which is the predominant seal in Indus valley civilisation. So we can conclude that Indra worship prevailed in the Indus Valley.

Indra’s vehicle is an elephant known as Airavata which is a predominant animal in Indus valley civilization. No other ancient civilization has elephant figure or association of an elephant with any ancient god. This is a very clear proof to show that Indra is an Indus God and not a foreigner from central Asia or Siberia. I have already explained the elephant and the standing figure with a wheel above, on an Indus tablet is Indra.
He is the god of the direction “East” which shows that he belongs to India and not a foreign god from the “West”.

His wife Indrani is the daughter of Asura Puloman which shows that Asuras belonged to one and the same race, belying Aryan – Dravidian racist theory. She is also known as Paulomi and Aindri. Andiran is Indra and Aindri is Indrani.

The English name Andrew and Andreas all came from Indra. Later new explanations were added by struggling foreign “Scholars”!!!

Indra Jatra in Nepal. This was celebrated in ancient Tamil Nadu.

Afghans worship Indra!
Indra and Imra are worshipped as Kafir gods in Afghanistan. The place where he was worshiped was called Kafiristan. He is worshiped in Waigal, Prasun areas of Hindukush and in Nuristan.

Indra is identified with Zeus of Greece,Thor of Norse Jupiter of Romans and Taranis of Celts.

Please read my earlier research papers on Indra:
1.Encyclopedia of Indra (Posted on 7th Sept. 2014)
2. Indra-Thor-Taranis in Indus Valley Civilization (5th Sept. 2014)
3. Oldest Engineer in the World –Indra: A Dam Buster or a Dam Builder? (4th Sept. 2014)

4).Why did Indra kill Brahmins? – (posted on 25 May 2014).
5).How many people did Indra kill? (17th July 2014)
6).Do you know Indra? (14th July 2014)
7).Indus Valley – Brahmin Connection (10th May 2014)
8).Indus Valley Case: Lord Indra Acquitted (28 December 2013)
9).Indra in the Oldest Tamil Book
10). Indra Festival in the Vedas and Tamil Epics
11).Vishnu in Indus Valley
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Mongolia Stamp on Vajrayudha

Most of these articles are available in Tamil also. Indra is mentioned in all my articles on Aryan Dravidian ‘Racist’ Theory.