Hindu Astrology 2700 years Ago: proof from Megasthenes! (Post No.9392)


Post No. 9392

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The Science of Astronomy and astrology originated in India. The proof for this is in the Rig Veda which is dated between 4500 BCE and 6000 BCE by various scholars on the basis of astronomical references in the Vedas. Herman Jacobi of Germany and Freedom fighter B G Tilak lead this group of researchers.

Hindus are the only community in the world who included astronomy / astrology in day today syllabus. Vedic scholars must study SIX ancillary subjects. They are ….

Siksaa – phonetics – nose of Vedic man/Veda purusa

Vyakarana – grammar – mouth

Nirukta – etymology/lexicon- ear

Kalpa – manual of rituals – hands

Chandas – prosody – foot

Jyotisa – astronomy/ astrology- eye

These are the limbs of Vedic learning. When one mastered all the six……………….

tags- Hindu, astrology, astronomy, Jyotisha, Panini

Hindu Thoughts in Australian Aborigines’ Folklore! (Post No. 2518)


Research Article Written by london swaminathan

Date: 7 February 2016


Post No. 2518


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First part of this article under the title, “Are Australian aborigines Tamil Hindus?” was posted yesterday.


Adi Shanakara in his Baja Govindam sang ‘Punarapi Maranam, Punarapi Jananm’. And Krishna said it even before Shankara, in the Bhagavad Gita, Jatasya hi druvo mrtyur, dhruvam janma mrtasya ca’ meaning “For  the one that is born, death is certain and certain is birth for the one that has died”.


This is a fact known to everyone in the world. But putting it in literature or scripture shows how much one is concerned about it. Like Hindus, aborigines of Australia put it in their folklore or oral literature.



This is what they say about death:

All humans must die; When death came to the Tiwi islands we had to start the burial ceremonies………….. and make sure they entered the spirit world in the right way……………placing the burial poles around graves of our dead…………..


Placing burial poles around the grave has been practised by the Hindus for long. Even now bereaved Brahmin families bury the stone in their garden or in a public place in the crematorium. If ascetics die a Linga is erected or a basil plant (Holy Tulsi) is raised on the grave of the person. Hero stones (Nadu Kal) were common in ancient Tamil Nadu. In Karnataka they had Masti kal/stone.

In short, burial pole was erected for everyone in the ancient Hindu world, but slowly this custom disappeared. Australian aborigines were doing it like us. Their talk about the  dead entering the spirit world in the right way is also in the funeral mantras of the Vedas. Most of the mantras request the heavenly spirits to lead the dead in the right path. Those who read the translation of the funeral mantras will understand it.


Lot of Sanskrit words, but with different meanings, are found in aborigines. One group of people called themselves Dhurga people. The word Tunga is used for pole. In Sanskrit it means tall, elevated.

Bhu Suktam: Ode to Mother Earth

Vedas praise the earth as mother. Ancient Hindu seers praised the wind, water, fire etc. The Bhu Suktam of Atharva Veda is not only a great poem but also a valuable source of Vedic life. It refers to the earth’s flora and fauna, geographical features, climate, minerals and the diversity of people. In the same way aborigines say about their land

“It is my father land, grand father’s land, my grand mother’s land. I am related to it. It gives me my identity. If I don’t fight for it I will be moved out of this and I will lose my identity”.

Even the Tamil poet Bharati in his patriotic poem on India says the same thing (Enthaiyum Thayum kulavi irunthathu in naade……)


Another aborigine says, I feel with my body, with my blood. Feeling all these trees, all this country. When this wind blow, you can feel it. Same for the country. You feel it. You can look, but feeling that make you”


This is similar to the Vedic mantra

May the winds bring us happiness. May the rivers carry happiness to us. May the herbs give us happiness. May night and day yield us happiness. May the heavens give us happiness. May the trees give us happiness. May the sun pour down happiness. May the cows yield us happiness. (Madhu Vaata rdaayate………Taitriya Aranyaka)


Vedic seers and the aborigines wanted to strike harmony with nature. For them the earth and the trees are not just objects. They gave equal respect to everything.


Listen, Hear, Think (Ngara)

Vedic poets and Tamil poet Thiruvalluvar emphasized that one must listen to good things. Thiruvalluvar begs to the people ‘ listen to at least to something good’ (Enaithaanum Nallavai ketka). Rig Veda says “Let noble thoughts come to us from every side” (RV 1-89-1)

Australian aborigines said the same thing and called it ‘Ngara’.

“From the day we are born we are taught ngara. We listen to elders. Hear what country is saying. And think how our actions will impact on living things. Ngara is the path to knowledge, wisdom and survival. Elders carry the knowledge of science and technology, medicine and astronomy, ecology and creative arts”.


Astronomy of Aborigines

Indigenous people of Australia had very good knowledge of stars, planets and their movements. Vedas have innumerable references to stars and planets. Some are hidden in symbolic language. Just to teach astronomy we linked our stories to Pole Star (Dhruva Nakshatra), Canopus (Agastya star), Tri sanku (Southern Star), 27 Stars’ love affair with the Moon, particular favouritism to Rohini etc.


Aborigines also had some stories and like Stonehenge of England, they have stone circle Wurdi Youang in Victoria. Modern research reveal lot of new things about the aborigines. Their geographical knowledge was amazing and they knew the nook and corner of the vast continent. Without their help, the white people would not have moved into the interior lands.


There are more similarities in making fire, with the Vedic Hindus which we look at the third part of this series.





Amazing Andal: Where did she see the Lion?

Andal  is one of the famous women poets of Tamil Nadu. She lived around 8th century. Though she is known as a devotional poet, her knowledge in several subjects is amazing. She has sung about various subjects from Astronomy to Zoology. In her A to Z dealings, I am going to touch A for Astronomy and Z for Zoo in this article. Ancient Tamil women were well educated. We have scores of female poets (poetesses) in Sangam Tamil literature. We had more than one Avvaiyar in Tamil literature. Among the devotional poetesses Karaikal Ammaiyar of fifth century and Andal of 8th century AD are more popular.

Andals’s 30 verses known as Tiruppavai and  another 143 verses known as Nachiyar Tirumozi are household names in Tamil Vaishnavite families. Her wedding song Varanam Ayiram (part of Nachiyar Tirumozi) is sung in all the Vaishnavite Brahmin weddings. She is the only one female in the twelve famous Vaishnavite Saints known as Alvars.

Two of the 30 Tiruppavai verses are known for her knowledge in Animal Behaviour and Astronomy. One may wonder whether she encountered a lion in a forest or a zoo when one reads her description of a lion. Unless she had keen observation power or a personal visit to a zoo in Madurai near her native place Srivilliputur she would not have described the lion in the following manner:

“ As a fierce lion, which throughout the rains

Within his mountain lair has lain asleep

And awakes, and flashes fire from the eye

And angrily with bristling mane he moves

All of his body, and shakes himself and stands

Upright and roars, and lordly issues forth:

So who flowerlike art, come graciously

Forth from thy shrine; in grace upon by throne

Of cunning craftsmanship, search out the cause

That brings us here. Ah, Elorembavoy  (23)

(From Hymns of the Alwars by J S M Hooper)

Andal and Astronomy

Andal must be an amateur astronomer. Though she was a teenage girl she knew ornithology, zoology, astronomy etc. She mentioned a particular bird called Anaichathan (Asian Drongo Cuckoo or Valiyan Kuruvi) . Her keen observation of Venus rising and Jupiter setting in the early morning sky 1200 years ago helped us to confirm her period. We know approximately her period because of her father Periyalvar and the Pandya king of his times. Andal’s precise date was determined by her astronomical reference in the following verse:

Singing the glory of him

Who split the bird’s bill and killed

And Him who plucked the wicked demon as a weed

Girlies all reached the site of deity

Venus ascended and Jupiter had slept sunk;

Birds too clanged behold, belle gild:

The eye is a la flower or deer flirting?

Yet asleep in bed

Enjoin to dip and shiver in bath of cold;

Shed off thy stealth untold

This day is auspicious, consider our damsel.


In the very first verse of Tirupavai, she says that it was Full moon day in the month of Markazi.( Markazi thingal mathi niraintha nannaalal in Tamil) and then she says Venus ascended and Jupiter went down. This happened on 18th December 731 AD according to scholars Raghava Iyengar and KG Shankar. Thanks to Andal we were able to pinpoint the date.

I am giving both the verses in Tamil for the benefit of Tamil readers:


Animal behaviour:

மாரிமலை முழைஞ்சில் மன்னிக்கிடந்து உறங்கும்

சீரிய சிங்கம் அறிவுற்றுத் தீவிழித்து

வேரி மயிர்ப்பொங்க எப்பாடும் பேர்ந்து உதறி

மூரி நிமிர்ந்து முழங்கிப் புறப்பட்டுப்

போதருமா போலே நீ பூவைப் பூவண்ணா உன்

கோயில் நின்று இங்ஙனே போந்தருளி, கோப்புடைய

சீரிய சிங்காசனத்திருந்து, யாம் வந்த

காரியம் ஆராய்ந்து அருள் ஏல் ஓர் எம்பாவாய் (திருப்பாவை 23)



புள்ளின்வாய் கீண்டானைப் பொல்லா அரக்கனைக்

கிள்ளிக் களைந்தானைக் கீர்ந்திமை பாடிப்போய்

பிள்ளைகள் எல்லாரும் பாவைக் களம் புக்கார்

வெள்ளி எழுந்து வியாழம் உறங்கிற்று

புள்ளும் சிலம்பின காண்! போது அரிக்கண்ணினாய்

குள்ளக் குளிரக் குடைந்து நீராடாதே

பள்ளிக் கிடத்தியோ பாவாய்! நீ நன்னாளால்

கள்ளம் தவிர்ந்து கலந்து ஏல் ஓர் எம்பாவாய் (திருப்பாவை 13)

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