MANU IN TAMIL VEDA TIRUKKURAL: Rev GU Pope and Father Beschi compare -1 ( Post No.4459)

MANU IN TAMIL VEDA TIRUKKURAL: Rev GU Pope and Father Beschi compare -1 ( Post No.4459)


Written by London Swaminathan 

 

Date: 4 DECEMBER 2017 

 

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Post No. 4459

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Rev. G U Pope, a Tamil scholar and Christian preacher published The Sacred Kural of Tiruvalluva Nayanar in 1886 with his English translation. Throughout the book he had used his predecessors’ views. He had used Italian Jesuit priest Constantine Joseph Beschi’s Latin translation of Tirukkural, the Tamil Veda and also the translation of Ellis. They have compared some of the Kural couplets with the Manu Smrti, also known as Manava Dharma Shastra.

I will give their list below:

 

 

Role of a King

Valluvar says in his Kural Couplets,

The world clings to the feet of the great leader who wields his sceptre with love for his subjects (Kural 544)

The leader saves his subjects from enemies and flawlessly punishes wrong doers (549)

The judge gives capital punishment to wicked killers like removing weeds from a flourishing field (550)

 

 

Manu says in the Seventh Chapter,

  1. Let him be ever ready to strike, his prowess constantly displayed, and his secrets constantly concealed, and let him constantly explore the weaknesses of his foe.
  2. Of him who is always ready to strike, the whole world stands in awe; let him therefore make all creatures subject to himself even by the employment of force.
  3. Having fully considered the purpose, (his) power, and the place and the time, he assumes by turns many (different) shapes for the complete attainment of justice.
  4. The (man), who in his exceeding folly hates him, will doubtlessly perish; for the king quickly makes up his mind to destroy such (a man).

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Oppression of a Tyrant

Valluvar says in his Kural Couplets,

The leader who does not injure and adopt proper measures each day – his kingdom will perish day by day (Kural 553)

 

Let them that want their greatness to continue begin with sternness and punish within measure (562).

 

Manu says in the Seventh Chapter,

  1. Having fully considered the time and the place (of the offence), the strength and the knowledge (of the offender), let him justly inflict that (punishment) on men who act unjustly.

 

  1. Let the king, having carefully considered (each) affair, be both sharp and gentle; for a king who is both sharp and gentle is highly respected.

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Espionage

Valluvar says,

Kural Couplets 581-590

The reports given by one spy must be tested and verified through another spy (Kural 588)

The spies must be sent one by one, apart; if three spies agree, the information shall be confirmed (589)

Able spies watch keenly the officers, kinsmen and the enemies and all for information (584)

 

Manu says in the Seventh Chapter

  1. Let that (man) always personally visit by turns all those (other officials); let him properly explore their behaviour in their districts through spies (appointed to) each.
  2. For the servants of the king, who are appointed to protect (the people), generally become knaves who seize the property of others; let him protect his subjects against such (men).
  3. On the whole eightfold business and the five classes (of spies), on the goodwill or enmity and the conduct of the circle (of neighbours he must) carefully (reflect).

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VIOLENCE IN RIG VEDA AND TAMIL VEDA AGAINST THE MISERS! (Post No.4323)

Written by London Swaminathan

 

Date: 21 October 2017

 

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Post No. 4323

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Rig Veda is the oldest religious book; and that is the oldest anthology. It is full of mystery and history. It shows a civilised society with very high values. The Vedic seers praised hospitality and charity. They made it one of the six tasks for Brahmins; they can accept donation but they must also give. Tamil literature also praised hospitality and charity. Tamils consider Tirukkural, the didactic book with 1330 couplets, as the Tamil Veda. It is authored by Tiruvalluvar, the greatest of the Tamil poets. Though Rig Veda and Tamil Veda are thousands of years apart, the values remained same throughout the vast land, then the world’s largest country.

 

The Vedic and Tamil poets were dead against the misers. They went even to the extent of preaching violence against the stingy fellows. The poets of the Rig Veda and Tamil Veda advocates arm twisting and jaw breaking tactics to extract money from the parsimonious and penurious lot.

Rig Veda says,

When will Indra trample, like a weed; the man who hath no gifts for him? RV 1-84-8

“Slay the niggards”- says another Vedic seer 1-184-2

“Wealth comes not to the niggard, unpleasant man” – RV 7-32-21

 

There are hundreds of places where the hospitality and charity are praised and penny-pinching, cheese-paring, ungenerous lot condemned.

 

Break the jaw; Crush him like Sugarcane: Valluvar

Tamil poet Tiruvaluvar never hesitated to advocate violence against the mean-minded, close fisted, Scrooge like fellows; he says in a Tirukkural couplet,

“At a mere word the good melt; but the mean, like the sugarcane, yield only under pressure” – 1078

Another translation of the same couplet: “Good men of virtue give charity at the mere call for help, but ignoble ones, will give only when crushed like sugarcane”.

Another couplet runs like this:

“The mean will not even shake off what sticks to their hands to any but those who would break their jaws with their clenched fists”- 1077

Another translation of the same couplet: Except to those who twist their hands and break their jaws, mean characters, will not even shake their food-moistened fingers.

 

S M Diaz in his Tirukkural commentary says “The well-known description of a bad miser in Tamil Nadu is that he will not even shake the hand with which he ate his food lest some starving crow should pick it up and eat. The idea is that the very fact that somebody will benefit from any action of theirs is repugnant to them. In this Kural/couplet, Valluvar has combined it, with certain other adverse qualifications of the miser, that he will part with that he has only to those, who are capable of twisting his hands and breaking his jaws. That is the only language, which he will understand”.

Tolkappiam and Bhagavad Gita

Oldest Tamil book Tolkappiam also says that those who don’t give will be shunned and those who give would be praised (Sutra 1036)

 

In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna says those who cook for themselves, verily eat sin (B.G.3-13)

 

Manu also says the same: “The person who cooks only for himself eats nothing but sin, for the food left over from sacrifice is the food intended for good men”- Manu 3-118

 

2000 years ago, Tamil poet Ilamperu Vazuthi (Purananuru verse 182) said that Tamils wouldn’t eat alone even if they get Indra’s Amrta (ambrosia from the Indraloka); Giving and sharing was in their blood.

 

–Subham–