VIOLENCE IN RIG VEDA AND TAMIL VEDA AGAINST THE MISERS! (Post No.4323)

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Date: 21 October 2017

 

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Post No. 4323

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Rig Veda is the oldest religious book; and that is the oldest anthology. It is full of mystery and history. It shows a civilised society with very high values. The Vedic seers praised hospitality and charity. They made it one of the six tasks for Brahmins; they can accept donation but they must also give. Tamil literature also praised hospitality and charity. Tamils consider Tirukkural, the didactic book with 1330 couplets, as the Tamil Veda. It is authored by Tiruvalluvar, the greatest of the Tamil poets. Though Rig Veda and Tamil Veda are thousands of years apart, the values remained same throughout the vast land, then the world’s largest country.

 

The Vedic and Tamil poets were dead against the misers. They went even to the extent of preaching violence against the stingy fellows. The poets of the Rig Veda and Tamil Veda advocates arm twisting and jaw breaking tactics to extract money from the parsimonious and penurious lot.

Rig Veda says,

When will Indra trample, like a weed; the man who hath no gifts for him? RV 1-84-8

“Slay the niggards”- says another Vedic seer 1-184-2

“Wealth comes not to the niggard, unpleasant man” – RV 7-32-21

 

There are hundreds of places where the hospitality and charity are praised and penny-pinching, cheese-paring, ungenerous lot condemned.

 

Break the jaw; Crush him like Sugarcane: Valluvar

Tamil poet Tiruvaluvar never hesitated to advocate violence against the mean-minded, close fisted, Scrooge like fellows; he says in a Tirukkural couplet,

“At a mere word the good melt; but the mean, like the sugarcane, yield only under pressure” – 1078

Another translation of the same couplet: “Good men of virtue give charity at the mere call for help, but ignoble ones, will give only when crushed like sugarcane”.

Another couplet runs like this:

“The mean will not even shake off what sticks to their hands to any but those who would break their jaws with their clenched fists”- 1077

Another translation of the same couplet: Except to those who twist their hands and break their jaws, mean characters, will not even shake their food-moistened fingers.

 

S M Diaz in his Tirukkural commentary says “The well-known description of a bad miser in Tamil Nadu is that he will not even shake the hand with which he ate his food lest some starving crow should pick it up and eat. The idea is that the very fact that somebody will benefit from any action of theirs is repugnant to them. In this Kural/couplet, Valluvar has combined it, with certain other adverse qualifications of the miser, that he will part with that he has only to those, who are capable of twisting his hands and breaking his jaws. That is the only language, which he will understand”.

Tolkappiam and Bhagavad Gita

Oldest Tamil book Tolkappiam also says that those who don’t give will be shunned and those who give would be praised (Sutra 1036)

 

In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna says those who cook for themselves, verily eat sin (B.G.3-13)

 

Manu also says the same: “The person who cooks only for himself eats nothing but sin, for the food left over from sacrifice is the food intended for good men”- Manu 3-118

 

2000 years ago, Tamil poet Ilamperu Vazuthi (Purananuru verse 182) said that Tamils wouldn’t eat alone even if they get Indra’s Amrta (ambrosia from the Indraloka); Giving and sharing was in their blood.

 

–Subham–

 

 

Stinginess Anecdotes (Post No.3769)

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Date: 29 March 2017

 

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Post No. 3769

 

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Dog’s Father is Rich!

A poor German, relative of John Jacob Astor, once applied to him for charity. Mr Astor gave him a five dollar.

“Why?, said the disconcerted relative, “your son just gave me ten dollars!”

“Well, he may!”| , said the stingy old magnate; “the dog has a rich father”

 

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Perfect Likeness!

Fenelon had for some time been besieging Richelieu for a contribution to a charity fund, but all his diplomacy had failed to make the wily French minister ” come across”

Meeting Richelieu in the Louvre one day, Fenelon remarked,

“I have just seen a portrait of you in the other room”.

“And did you ask it for a subscription?” replied Richelieu with a polite smirk.

No, I knew it was no use, said Fenelon, passing on. “It was a perfect likeness”.

 

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Counting Fingers!

Russel Sage, the financier, had a wide reputation as a man difficult to separate from his money. A couple of promoters approached him one day and tried to sell him on a scheme they had. Sage talked with them for a while but said he could give them no definite answer yet. Telling them that he would communicate with them in a few days he showed them out of the office.

One of the promoters seemed quite optimistic and voiced the opinion to his partner that he thought Sage was pretty well sold on their proposition.

“I don’t know, replied the other sceptically. He seemed too suspicious to me. Didn’t you notice tha , after shaking hands with me, he started to count his fingers”.

 

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How to become Rich!

The young journalist was sent to get a personal interview with the wealthy old Scotch merchant His paper desired a human-interest story on how he had accumulated his riches.

“Well, it’s a long story”, said the old man.

“And while I am telling it we may as well save the candle”.

Wherewith he blew it out.

“Never mind about the story, said the reporter. I understand”.

 

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When J P Morgan drinks…………………

A legend of doubtful authenticity has it that J P Morgan was once present with a group of men at a bar in the financial district. Beckoning to the waiter, he ordered a beer; at the same time, saying, “When Morgan drinks, everybody drinks”.

Everybody had a beer and when Morgan had finished, he slapped a dime upon the table, saying,

“When Morgan pays, everybody pays.”

 

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Stinginess Anecdotes (Post No.3576)

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Date: 25 January 2017

 

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Post No.3576

 

 

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Good Man, but……………..

Jock said to his wife one night,

“Weel, Maggy, I think I will go and pay my respects to the new neighbour”.

Upon his return sometime later, Maggie said,

“Weel, Jock, what kind of a mon is the new neighbour?”

“He is a guid mon”, replied Jock

“A guid mon and verra liberal with his liquor. But verra bad quality. In fact, Maggie, it was that bad, I nearly left some.”.

 

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Funeral Speech!

The story is told of the hard-bitten old Quaker who had died. At the funeral service, those who had gathered were standing silently by, waiting, as was the custom, for anyone who might wish to do so, make some tribute to the departed. At last one old man spoke and said,

Well, I can say one good thing about William. He wasn’t always as mean as he was sometimes.

 

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'You have to spend money to make money, and Walter just HATES it.'

Mountain of Gold

Two friends were walking down the street .

“If you could have any wish”, asked one of them.

“What would it be ?”

“A mountain of gold, said his friend.”

And, said his questioner,

“If you had your mountain of gold , surely we are such old friends , you would give me half?”

“I would not, said the other firmly , Nothing would I give.”

His friend was deeply hurt.

“What?, he demanded, all these years our friendship  and this is what I get?”

“Look, the other said practically, “wish yourself a mountain of gold and leave me alone.”

 

 

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Wordsworth Vs Godwin

When Godwin in 1822 was on the point of being sold out to his creditors a fund was started for him, to which Lamb, Crabbe, Byron, Robinson and Scott contributed, Wordsworth refused to subscribe. The inference is that, while generous enough to inferiors who would be duly grateful, Wordsworth was indifferent to an equal, however needy, especially an arrogant equal like Godwin from whom no gratitude was expected.

 

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Duke Cigarettes

James Duke, founder of the tobacco fortune, was one of those eccentrically miserly character s whose accumulation of wealth is a vast storing up and no giving out. When he already begun to earn an income of more than $50000 a year he took pride in living in the cheapest hall bedroom in New York and eating his meals at a Bowery restaurant. At that time he would permit no one associated with the Duke tobacco business, other than himself, to earn more than $1000 a year.

XxxSubhamxxx

 

Misers are the Best Philanthropists! (Post No 2802)

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Date: 11 May 2016

 

Post No. 2802

 

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There is a satirical couplet in Sanskrit, mocking at the misers:

Krupana iva daataa na bhuuto na bhavishayati

Na buncanneva sarvasvam parasmai sah pradaasyati

 

There was neither a philanthropist in the past nor there will be one in in the future like the misers. They don’t even eat and leave all theirs to others.

 

It is true indeed that they don’t spend anything for themselves and after their death, all their wealth go to others.

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People are of Three Tree Types!

 

He gives twice who gives quickly – is a proverb.

A Tamil poem also says that there is nothing wrong to say ‘No’ if one doesn’t have money to donate; but it is the habit of low lives to dodge and refuse to give at the end (Naladiyar poem)

 

Another Tamil verse compares people who prevent other people from giving to a fruit tree surrounded by thorny bush. Here the fruit tree stands for the philanthropists and the thorny bush to the bad people who prevent the good people from donating. (Neethineri Venba)

The same poet divides people into three categories:

Palmyra Tree people:

The first category is like the Palmyra tree; they give like Palmyra trees; i.e the Palmyra trees give fruits even without we watering it.

The second category of people is like the Coconut trees. You have to water the coconut trees now and then to get good yields.

The third category of people is like areca nut trees. Unless you water it constantly the trees wont yield you any fruits. People at the lowest level will help you only when you help them.

 

–Subham–

 

DROWN MISERS IN THE SEA: MAHABHARATA (Post No 2773)

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Date: 2 May 2016

 

Post No. 2773

 

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Hindu scriptures are not against violence; they support violence where it is necessary. When it comes to protecting countries and governments, war was part of their life. The biggest job provider in the ancient world was the war and weapon industry. It is true with the modern world as well. At any one time 50 conflicts are going on in different parts of the world. The Western Governments love wars. Their biggest income come from arms sale. They are the mainstay of all the terrorist movements. Big arms fairs are held in London and other parts of the world, where the terrorists and developing countries procure weapons in benami/proxy names. So we can laugh at them when they speak of world peace and non-violence.

 

Western Governments ‘invent’ human rights violations of other countries if they don’t provide them oil/petrol or don’t do business with them. They have no moral issues in wars. They want their products to be sold. Doctors flourish when there are more diseases; lawyers flourish when there are more criminal activities; Western Governments survive only through their arms sales and conflicts between nations. If there is peace, then they wont have the BIG POWER status! They will justify any violence like Iraq War, Vietnam War, nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan and killing millions of innocent Buddhists. Their propaganda machinery such as ABC, BBC, CBC etc. will help them to justify all their immoral activities. With the communist governments, they openly support violence unlike the covert activities of Western Governments.

 

All Hindu gods and goddesses hold weapons; they are there to punish the evil doers. They never attack anyone on their own. If there is violence from the demons and devils, they kill them. It is also symbolic in many cases; there the demons or devils symbolise evil thought in human beings.

 

So we have to look at any violence in this background; the violence advocated by the Tamil and Sanskrit scriptures is of different kind. They support violence only against the evil people. We can easily see the difference between the actual criminals and the ‘invented’ criminals of the Western countries.

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Ambhasi nivestavya: To be drowned in ocean

Mahabharata says,
Dvaambhasi nivestavyau gale badhwaa drutaam silaam
Dhanavantamadaataaram daridram caatapasvinam
—Udyoga parva 33.60

 

Drown the following two kinds of people in the ocean:

1.Adaataa Chanukah
Richman who doesn’t give
2.Atapasvi daridra
Poor man who is not devout

 

From Tamil Literature
Tamil poet Tiruvalluvar also says,

“The mean will not shake off what sticks to their hands to any but those who would break their jaws with their clenched fists!” (Tirukkural 1077)

That is the misers have no heart, no compassion; they will give only when their hands are twisted and jaws are broken with a good punch.

“At a mere word the good melt; but the mean, like the sugarcane, yield only under pressure” (Tirukkural 1078)

That is the misers have to be actually crushed physically to get something out of them.

In another couplet, Valluvar advocated also death penalty for the murderers. He compared the murderers as weeds in the field. Capital punishment for grievous offences is like the weeding of fields, necessary for protecting the food crops.

“The king gives capital punishment to wicked killers like removing weeds from flourishing fields” (Tirukkural 550)

Sanskrit law books such as Manu smrti and Sukra neeti also support capital punishment.

–Subham–

 

 

 

Miser or Philanthropist? 5 Anecdotes (Post No. 2534)

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Post No. 2534

Date: 12th February 2016

 

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Wills and Testaments Anecdotes

1.Miser or Philanthropist?

The merchant Guyot lived and died in the town of Marseilles in France. He amassed a large fortune by the most laborious industry and by habits of severest abstinence and privation. His neighbours considered him a miser and thought he was hoarding up money from mean and avaricious motives.

 

The populace whenever he appeared, pursued him with hooting and execrations, and the boys sometimes threw stones at him. At length he died and in his will were found the following words:

 

“Having observed from my infancy that the poor of Marseilles are badly supplied with water which they can purchase at a higher price. I have cheerfully laboured the whole of my life to procure for them this great blessing, and I direct that the whole of my property be laid out in building an aqueduct for their use.”

 

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2.Hell, No, Heaven, yes you can enter!

The will of Stephen Girard, endowing Girard College in Philadelphia, prohibits clergymen from coming onto the premises. Horace Greely one day approached the campus in his customary, somewhat clerical-looking garb. The gatekeeper challenged him, calling out, “You can’t enter here.”

“The hell I can’t!” retorted Greely.

“I beg your pardon, sir”, replied the guard, “Pass right in.”

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3.Bankruptcy Anecdotes

The following note was found among the effects of a businessman after his death. He had been long known for his frequent lapses into bankruptcy.

 

“I hereby name the following six bankers to be my pall bearers. Since they have carried me for so long during my lifetime, they might as well finish the job now”.

 

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4.“Out of my own pocket”

Forced into bankruptcy for the fifth time, the merchant was going over his accounts with his lawyer ad accountant.

 

“It looks pretty bad this time,” said the accountant, “can’t see how you will be able to pay more than four cents on a dollar.”

 

“What”, retorted the merchant, “I have always paid ten cents on the dollar. And I am going to do this time too. Yes, sir, even if I have to take it out of my own pocket.”

 

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5.Mankind would cease to die!

Abraham Ibn Ezra was an old Hebrew scholar who lived centuries ago. He was known far and wide as a most unlucky man. Everything he did seemed doomed to failure. In fact, so perverse was his fortune, he once remarked jestingly that should he go into the shroud business, mankind would suddenly cease to die.

 

–Subham–